The National for September 30, 2018 — NAFTA deal, Indonesia tsunami, Kavanaugh investigation
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(*) (*)>>Reporter: WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT THE DEAL?>>IT WILL BE TOMORROW.>>Reporter: IT WILL BE TOMORROW YOU SAID?>>[indiscernible]>>Rosemary: YOU’RE WATCHING “THE NATIONAL,” AND WE HAVE BREAKING NEWS ON NAFTA. THESE ARE CABINET MINISTERS ARRIVING JUST MOMENTS AGO FOR AN EMERGENCY CABINET MEETING. WE ARE HEARING THAT TONIGHT, JUST HOURS BEFORE A DEADLINE IMPOSED BY THE UNITED STATES, A DEAL HAS BEEN REACHED. KATIE SIMPSON IS STANDING OUTSIDE OF THE PRIME MINISTER’S OFFICE WITH US NOW. AFTER MONTHS OF TALKS, KATIE, MORE THAN 13, IN FACT, THE TWO SIDES ARE NOW SAYING THEY HAVE HAMMERED THINGS OUT. WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT HOW THEY GOT THE DEAL DONE?>>Reporter: ROSIE, I JUST GOT OFF THE PHONE WITH THE SENIOR SOURCE WHO SAID TO ME JUST VERY QUICKLY, DEAL IS DONE. IT IS A DONE DEAL. SO A SENIOR SOURCE WITH DIRECT KNOWLEDGE OF THE SITUATION CAN CONFIRM THAT CANADA HAS REACHED SOME SORT OF AGREEMENT ON NAFTA WITH THE UNITED STATES. AND NOW WE WAIT TO FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT CANADA HAS AGREED TO. A LITTLE BIT LATER TONIGHT WE’RE EXPECTING THE MEXICAN SENATE TO GET A COPY OF THE TEXT OF AN AGREEMENT SO WE MIGHT GET INSIGHT INTO EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING ON IN TERMS OF EXACTLY WHAT CANADA DID AGREE TO. BUT THIS COMES AFTER A WEEKEND OF VERY TENSE NEGOTIATIONS. THIS ENTIRE 13-MONTH PROCESS COULD BE DESCRIBED AS A VERY INTENSE, VERY STRESSFUL ORDEAL. BUT IT LOOKS LIKE WHATEVER WAS PUT ON THE TAKE IN THIS FINAL STRETCH TO GET TO A DEAL BEFORE OCTOBER 1st, IT LOOKS LIKE ALL SIDES HAVE BEEN ABLE TO REACH SOME SORT OF COMPROMISE HERE. THE U.S. AND MEXICO HAD BEEN PRESSURING CANADA TO AGREE TO A NAFTA ON THEIR TERMS BY THIS DAY, BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO START THE PROCESS TO HAVE THE LEADERS OF ALL THREE COUNTRIES SIGN OFF ON A NEW RENEGOTIATED NAFTA BEFORE DECEMBER 1st. DECEMBER 1st IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THAT IS THE DAY THAT THE NEW MEXICAN PRESIDENT TAKES OFFICE. AND THERE HAD BEEN CONCERN THAT IF THIS WASN’T DEALT WITH BY THAT TIME THAT THE NEW MEXICAN PRESIDENT WOULD WANT TO REOPEN THE DEAL AND TRY TO CHANGE SOME OF THE PARAMETERS OF WHAT THE U.S. AND MEXICO ALREADY AGREED TO. SO THAT’S WHY THE U.S. AND MEXICO WERE REALLY PUSHING, PRESSURING CANADA, SAYING THAT TO THEM THIS IS A REAL DEADLINE, OCTOBER 1st IS A REAL DEADLINE. THE CANADIANS HAD BEEN VERY COMFORTABLE SAYING THEY WOULD PLAY DEADLINE SPOILER, THAT THEY ARE IN THIS FOR A GOOD DEAL AND NOT A FAST DEAL. AND THAT POLITICAL PRESSURE ALONE WAS NOT GOING TO BE ENOUGH TO GET CONCESSIONS OUT OF CANADA. WE KNOW THAT CONCESSIONS HAVE BEEN VERY DIFFICULT ON KEY ISSUES. THERE ARE FAR MORE THAN THREE KEY ISSUES HERE BUT THE ONES GETTING ATTENTION IS DAIRY, CHAPTER 19 AND PROTECTING TARIFFS. AND NOW WE WAIT TO HEAR WHAT THOSE DETAILS ARE.>>Rosemary: KATIE SIMPSON WILL STAND BY AND BRING US THAT THROUGHOUT THE EVENING. THANK YOU. JUDGE,.>>NOW THE DISPUTE RESOLUTION MECHANISM WAS ALWAYS A MUST, THAT’S CHAPTER 19 FOR CANADA. BUT ONLY ONE OF THE THREE BIG ISSUES FOR THE AGREEMENT THAT HAS TRANSFORMED THE TRADE RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN THESE TWO COUNTRIES. THE AMOUNT OF MONEY NOW CROSSING BACK AND FORTH IS DIZZYING, FROM ROUGHLY $280 BILLION IN 1993 JUST BEFORE NAFTA CAME INTO EFFECT, TO ALMOST $800 BILLION LAST YEAR. BUT FOR CANADA’, TWO INDUSTRIES HAVE BEEN OF SPECIAL CONCERN.>>I THINK THAT ANY BREACH OF THE CANADIAN SUPPLY MANAGEMENT SYSTEM WOULD BE A FULL ATTACK ON AGRICULTURE IN GENERAL IN CANADA.>>Rosemary: TRUMP HAS LONG TARGETED CANADA’S SUPPLY MANAGEMENT SYSTEM. CANADA HAS OPENED UP THE DAIRY SECTOR IN THE PAST, AT LEAST SLIGHTLY, TO PASS A FREE-TRADE DEAL WITH THE E.U. AND WITH THE TRANSPACIFIC PARTNERSHIP NATIONS. BUT THAT’S SMALL POTATOES COMPARED TO THE COMPETITION WITH AMERICAN DAIRY FARMERS.>>President Donald Trump: WE’RE THINKING OF JUST TAXING CARS COMING IN FROM CANADA. THAT’S THE MOTHERLOAD, THAT’S THE BIG ONE.>>Rosemary: THAT’S KEPT CANADIAN NEGOTIATORS UP AT NIGHT. CANADA PRODUCES 2.5 MILLION CARS A YEAR AND EMPLOYING HALF A MILLION PEOPLE, EITHER ON THE ASSEMBLY LINES, MAKING PARTS, OR AT DEALERSHIPS. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE ISSUES AT PLAY AND HAVE HOPEFULLY BEEN RESOLVED, WE’LL FIND OUT IN THE COMING HOURS. BUT WHAT COULD THIS MEAN FOR THE TRUDEAU GOVERNMENT? FOR INSIGHT INTO HOW THIS PLAYS OUT POLITICALLY, HERE’S OUR NATIONAL AFFAIRS EDITOR CHRIS HALL. SO, OKAY, CHRIS, THERE’S A DEAL BUT WE DON’T KNOW WHAT IS IN IT. SO GIVE US A SENSE WHAT TO LOOK FOR NOW IN THE NEXT COUPLE HOURS?>>Reporter: I THINK THAT THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS ARE THE ONES THAT KATIE TOUCHED ON FROM THE CANADA STANDPOINT. THAT IS, WHAT CONCESSIONS DID THEY HAVE TO MAKE ON DAIRY? IN OTHER WORDS, TO WHAT EXTENT WILL AMERICAN DAIRY FARMERS NOW HAVE GREATER ACCESS TO THE CANADIAN MARKET. WE KNOW THAT IS A HUGE ISSUE AND IT HAS BEEN ONE THAT HAS LED TO PROTESTS IN THE PAST ON PARLIAMENT HILL. PEOPLE REMEMBER IN 2015 WHEN GREATER ACCESS WAS GIVEN TO THE 10 PACIFIC RIM NATION WHOSE SIGNED THIS TRANSPACIFIC PARTNERSHIP, THAT THERE WERE PROTESTS ON THE STREET WITH LIVESTOCK AND MILK BEING SPILLED SO THAT’S CLEARLY AN ISSUE. COMPENSATION FOR THOSE FARMERS IN THE INDUSTRY NOW AND ARE SUPPORTED BY THE SLY MANAGEMENT SUPPLY MANAGEMENT OR QUOTESA. AND IF QUÉBEC PEOPLE GO TO THE POLLS TOMORROW. WE KNOW THAT PHILIPPE COUILLARD HAS SAID THAT SHE’LL GO TO COURT, AND JEAN-FRANCOIS LISEE SAID SOMETHING SIMILAR. AND SO THAT COULD BE A BIG ISSUE FOR THE TRUDEAU GOVERNMENT TO CONFRONT.>>Rosemary: THERE ARE LOTS OF POLITICAL IMPLICATIONS HERE FOR THE GOVERNMENT, OBVIOUSLY, THEY PROBABLY WOULD HAVE BEEN WORSE IF THEY HADN’T GOT A DEAL. BUT GIVE US A SENSE HOW THIS PLAYS OUT IN THE SELL JOB THAT HAS TO COME NEXT.>>Reporter: IT’S REALLY INTERESTING, ISN’T IT? JUSTIN TRUDEAU SAID THAT HE’D TAKE NO DEAL OVER A BAD DEAL. OF COURSE, PEOPLE WILL LOOK TO SEE IF THIS IS, IN FACT, A GOOD DEAL FOR THE AUTO SECTOR AND THE DARE THAT HE WE JUST TALKED ABOUT. THE CONSERVATIVES WANTED A DEAL A LONG TIME AGO UNDER ANDREW SCHEER, SO CLEARLY AN ISSUE FOR THEM TO RESPOND TO AND FOR NEW DEMOCRATS AS WELL. SO LOOK IN THE DAYS AHEAD, ROSIE, FOR THE KIND OF POSITIONING THAT WILL GO ON AROUND HERE. THE LIBERALS WANT TO SELL WHAT WHATEVER IS AGREED TO AS A BETTER DEAL THAN WHAT THEY WOULD HAVE GOTTEN HAD THEY NOT HELD OUT AS LONG AS THEY HAVE. BUT THE OPPOSITION PARTIES WILL CLEARLY TRY TO FIND WHAT’S WRONG, WHAT’S MISSING, WHAT SECTORS OF THE ECONOMY WILL BE AT RISK. AND WHERE THE POLITICAL UPSIDE CAN BE GAPED.>>Rosemary: CHRIS HALL HERE WITH US TONIGHT. THANK YOU, CHRIS. SO AN AGREEMENT HAS BEEN REACHED. NOW WHAT? WELL, FIRST IT WON’T BE LAW RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE. IT WILL BE 60 DAYS NOW BEFORE THE SIGNATURE PROCESS IS COMPLETE. THAT IS IN THE UNITED STATES. AND THEN IT GOES TO CONGRESS TO BE RATIFIED SO WE’RE LOOKING AT LATE WINTER OR EARLY SPRING BUT AT THE VERY LEAST IT’S NOT FALLEN APART. WE’LL FOLLOW IT HERE ON CBC NEWS NETWORK, A DEAL REACHED ON NAFTA. STAY WITH US, IT’S GOING TO BE A BUSY ONE.>>Adrienne: STILL TO COME THIS HOUR ON “THE NATIONAL,” A B.C. WOMAN SAYS THAT THE PROVINCE ISN’T HELPING PROBLEM GAMBLERS BECAUSE THEY’RE JUST SO LUCRATIVE. SHE TELLS HER STORY TO OUR “GO PUBLIC” TEAM AHEAD.>>Rosemary: AFTER A TORNADO RIPPED THROUGH OTTAWA AND GATINEAU, THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE WERE LEFT WITH LITTLE OR NO CELL SERVICE. ADRIAEVAN DYER INVESTIGATES.>>Adrienne: FIRST, MANY LIVES ARE STILL AT RISK TWO DAYS AFTER AFTER EARTHQUAKE AND A TSUNAMI.>>>TONIGHT PARTS OF INDONESIA LOOK MORE LIKE A LANDFILL SITE STREWN WITH WRECKAGE THAN A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE LIVED AND WORKED. THE SHEER DESTRUCTION IS HORRIFYING ON ITS OWN BUT THE DEATH TOLL IS SURGING. THE ESTIMATES WENT FROM DOZENS DEAD ON FRIDAY NIGHT TO MORE THAN 800 CONFIRMED TODAY. TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED… AS A MASSIVE WAVE BORE DOWN ON THE COASTAL CITY OF PALU, PEOPLE REACTED IN TERROR. IT WAS TRIGGERED BY A 7.5 MAGNITUDE EARTHQUAKE THAT STRUCK NORTH OF PALU CLOSE TO DONGGALA, A REGION OF ABOUT 300,000 PEOPLE THAT HAS BEEN CUT OFF EVER SINCE. FOR NOW MOST CONFIRMED CASUALTIES ARE IN PALU. ON SATURDAY WOMEN JUST WEPT IN THE STREETS AFTER AN AFTERSHOCK MADE THOSE FRAYED NERVES MUCH WORSE. WITH THE LOCAL AIRPORT CLOSED YESTERDAY, RELIEF WORKERS HAD TO MAKE THEIR WAY BY ROAD FROM THE NEXT NEAREST AIRPORT. THAT’S ABOUT A 12-HOUR DRIVE. AND ALL OF THOSE ROADS ARE LINED WITH BODY BAGS THAT OFFICIALS SAY THAT AT LEAST 17,000 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN LEFT HOMELESS. A TSUNAMI EARLY WARNING SYSTEM HAS BEEN IN DEVELOPMENT THERE FOR YEARS WITH THE HELP OF INTERNATIONAL FUNDING, BUT WHEN A POWERFUL EARTHQUAKE HIT IN 2016 IT WAS DISCOVERED THAT THE 22 UNDERWATER SENSORS JUST DIDN’T WORK, EITHER BECAUSE OF VANDALISM OR POOR MAINTENANCE. RENÉE FILIPPONE WATCHES DEVELOPING STORIES LIKE THIS FOR US ON SUNDAY NIGHTS. SO, RENEE, WHAT’S THE LATEST ON THE RECOVERY EFFORT?>>Reporter: WELL, ADRIENNE, IT’S EARLY MONDAY MORNING IN INDONESIA AND THE SEARCH IS GETTING UNDERWAY FOR YET ANOTHER DAY. RIGHT NOW THE DEATH TOLL SITS AT 832, BUT IT MOST CERTAINLY WILL GROW. OFFICIALS ON THE GROUND FEAR THAT THOUSANDS ARE DEAD, PARTLY BECAUSE NO ONE KNOWS HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE STILL TRAPPED. NOW NEW HEAVY EQUIPMENT HAS ARRIVED TO GET TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRAPPED. IT’S BELIEVED THAT HUNDREDS ARE BURIED IN JUST ONE RESIDENTIAL COMPLEX THAT COLLAPSED. THREE DAYS AFTER THE EARTHQUAKE RESCUERS SAY THEY CAN STILL HEAR VOICES. NOW THE EFFORT IS PARTICULARLY CHALLENGING BECAUSE THE HARDEST HIT AREAS ARE TOUGH TO ACCESS, ROADS AND BRIDGES WERE WASHED OUT. THE AIRPORT WAS DAMAGED AND IT IS NOW BACK OPEN BUT ONLY FOR EMERGENCY CREWS. SO IT’S NOW A RACE AGAINST THE CLOCK FOR THE TEAMS ON THE GROUND.>>THE MAIN THING IS ABOUT HEALTH ISSUES BECAUSE OF THE RISKS. THEY ARE LIVING UNDER THE TENT AND IN THE OPEN SPACE AND OPEN AIR. AND THIS MAKES THEM PRONE TO DISEASE AND ALSO MOSQUITOES AND OPEN SPACE MAY MAKE THEM VULNERABLE TO SICKNESS.>>Reporter: NOW THERE’S A DESPERATE NEED IN THE AREA NOW FOR FOOD, WATER, AND HEALTH CARE. AND THE SAD REALITY, ADRIENNE, IS THAT WITH SO MANY DEAD IN THIS REMOTE AND INACCESSIBLE AREA, CREWS ARE NOW DIGGING MASS GRAVES IN ORDER TO HELP TO PREVENT THE SPREAD OF DISEASE. ADRIENNE?>>Adrienne: RENEE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ONE IN PARTICULAR IS GETTING ATTENTION. IT’S THE FUNERAL FOR A 21-YEAR-OLD. HIS NAME WAS ANTONIAS. THAT’S A NAME THAT INDONESIANS MAY TALK ABOUT FOR A LONG TIME. HE WAS WORKING AS AN AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLER IN PALU WHEN THE EARTHQUAKE STRUCK. WHEN THE BUILDING BEGAN TO SHAKE AND HIS COLLEAGUES LEFT, HE STAYED BEHIND. THERE WAS ONE LAST FLIGHT THAT HE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT TOOK OFF SAFELY. ONCE IT DID, HE JUMPED FROM THE FOURTH FLOOR WINDOW OF THE TOWER THINKING THAT IT WAS ON THE VERGE OF COLLAPSE. HE BROKE SOME BONES AND RECEIVED SOME INTERNAL INJURIES AND HE DIDN’T MAKE IT. THE PILOT OF THE FLIGHT HE SAFELY CLEARED POSTED A VIDEO OF HIS VIEW ONCE AIRBORNE AND WROTE ON INSTAGRAM, “THANK YOU FOR KEEPING ME AND GUARDING ME SO I’M SAFELY AIRBORNE.” SO WHILE WE TALK ABOUT NAFTA THERE’S ANOTHER STORY THAT IS DOMINATING HEADLINES IN THE UNITED STATES. THE U.S. SUPREME COURT BEGINS A NEW TERM TOMORROW MORNING, MISSING ITS NINTH JUDGE, EFFECTIVELY THE TIE-BREAKER. PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP’S NOMINEE BRETT KAVANAUGH IS BACK UNDER INVESTIGATION BY THE F.B.I. OVER SEXUAL ASSAULT ALLEGATIONS. NOW AS PAUL HUNTER TELLS US, QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS STILL HOVER OVER THAT INVESTIGATION.>>JUDGE KAVANAUGH, ARE YOU READY TO BEGIN?>>OH, HELL YEAH. [laughter]>>Reporter: IT WAS, INDEED, THE STUFF OF INSTANT MOCKERY. LAST NIGHT “SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE” WITH MATT DAMON’S PARODY OF A PERFORMANCE THAT HAS BAFFLED SO MANY AMERICANS.>>WOULD YOU AGREE TO AN F.B.I. INVESTIGATION?>>YOU WANT A REAL INVESTIGATION? JUST LOOK AT — LOOK AT MY CALENDAR. [laughter] I’M INNOCENT OF THIS CHARGE.>>AND YOU’RE PREPARED FOR AN F.B.I. INVESTIGATION?>>Reporter: THE REAL-LIFE BRETT KAVANAUGH WHO SEEMED TO EVADE THAT QUESTION LAST WEEK NOW FACES AN F.B.I. INVESTIGATION REGARDLESS. DIGGING INTO HIS SCHOOL DAYS AND SOME OF THOSE ALLEGATIONS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT, PROMPTED BY LAST WEEK’S TESTIMONY BY CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD.>>I BELIEVED HE WAS GOING TO RAPE ME.>>Reporter: BUT TODAY THE QUESTION IS QUICKLY BECOME HOW FAR WILL THE F.B.I. BE ALLOWED TO GO WITH REPORTS THIS WEEKEND SUGGESTING THAT IT’S BEING TOLD TO LIMIT WHERE IT LOOKS. WORRYING THE DEMOCRATS.>>I’M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS BECAUSE THE WHITE HOUSE SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO MICROMANAGE AN F.B.I. INVESTIGATION.>>President Donald Trump: I WOULD EXPECT THAT IT’S GOING TO TURN OUT VERY WELL…>>Reporter: FROM THE WHITE HOUSE, MIXED SIGNALS. DONALD TRUMP SAYING THAT THE F.B.I. CAN INTERVIEW WHOMEVER THEY WANT.>>IT WILL BE LIMITED IN SCOPE…>>Reporter: BUT TRUMP COUNSELLOR KELLYANNE CONWAY TODAY EMPHASIZED THE F.B.I.’S RESTRICTIONS.>>NOT GOING TO BE A PHISHING EXPEDITION.>>Reporter: BUT THEN CONWAY HAD ANOTHER UNEXPECTED COMMENT ABOUT HER OWN LIFE EXPERIENCE.>>I FEEL VERY EMPATHETIC, FRANKLY, FOR VICTIMS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT AND SEXUAL HARASSMENT AND RAPE. THAT — I AM A VICTIM OF A SEXUAL ASSAULT.>>Reporter: SHE GAVE NO OTHER DETAILS, BUT WHILE MAKING NO SPECIFIC REFERENCE TO THE KAVANAUGH HEARING SHE EMPHASIZED VICTIMS OF ASSAULT SHOULD BE HEARD BUT IN A COURTROOM, NOT ON CAPITOL HILL.>>WE DO TREAT PEOPLE DIFFERENTLY WHO ARE EITHER THE VICTIMS OR PERPETRATORS OF THIS BASED ON THEIR POLITICS NOW AND BASED ON THEIR GENDER. AND IT’S A HUGE MISTAKE. AMERICA, IT’S A HUGE MISTAKE.>>Reporter: MEANWHILE THE F.B.I. IS MOVING QUICKLY. TODAY INTERVIEWING DEBORAH RAMIREZ, THE SECOND WOMAN ACCUSING KAVANAUGH OF SEXUAL MISCONDUCT. SHE IS SAID TO HAVE ANSWERED THEIR QUESTIONS AND PROVIDED THE NAMES OF WITNESSES. PAUL HUNTER, CBC NEWS, WASHINGTON.>>Adrienne: A NEW REUTERS/IPSOS POLL SHOWS THAT THE DIVIDE AMONG AMERICANS OVER THE SEXUAL ASSAULT ALLEGATION SAYS REALLY DEEP. 42% OF ADULTS POLLED SAY THEY BELIEVE FORD’S ALLEGATIONS AGAINST KAVANAUGH. 31% SAY THEY DO NOT BELIEVE THEM. AND 27% SAID THEY JUST DON’T KNOW WHAT TO BELIEVE.>>>Rosemary: BACK TO POLITICS IN THIS COUNTRY AND THE DRAMA THAT IS BUILDING IN QUÉBEC AFTER 39 DAYS OF CAMPAIGNING. THE ELECTION IS HOURS AWAY AND THE PARTY LEADERS MADE FINAL PITCHES TO VOTERS. THE LIBERAL LEADER PHILIPPE COUILLARD DID A BLITZ WHERE HIS ERNING PARTY DID SEEM TO BE SLIPPING OR LOSING THE FRANCOPHONE VOTE. THE POLLS HAVE THEM NECK-AND-NECK AND THERE’S PARALLELS WITH LAST WEEK’S VOTE IN NEW BRUNSWICK WHERE NO PARTY MANAGED TO WIN A CLEAR MAJORITY. CBC’S JAELA BERNSTIEN LOOKS AT WHAT HAS CHANGED AND TALKS TO VOTERS WHO ARE PAYING AWFULLY CLOSE ATTENTION. [Applause]>>Reporter: AFTER FOUR YEARS OF LIBERAL GOVERNMENT, MANY QUÉBECERS HAVE A THIRST FOR CHANGE.>>PICKING THE THING THAT IS LESS WORSE AND THAT’S SOMETHING THAT I THINK THAT ALL OF THE QUÉBECERS HAVE BEEN DOING LATELY TO JUST PICK WHAT IS LESS WORSE.>>Reporter: POLLS SUGGEST THAT VOTERS MAY BE READY TO ELECT A NEW PARTY, ONE THAT’S NEVER FORMED GOVERNMENT BEFORE. FRANÇOIS LEGAULT’S COALITION AVENIR QUÉBEC. THOUGH SOME WORRY THAT IT WOULD BE A CHANGE IN NAME ONLY.>>NOT JUST BRING NEW IDEAS AND JUST CRUISE ON THE WIND OF CHANGE IDEA.>>Reporter: SOME ARE ALSO FEELING DISCOURAGED BY THE MUD SLINGING AND THE PERSONAL ATTACKS THAT HAVE COLOURED THE FINAL WEEK OF THE CAMPAIGN.>>THEY COULD TALK ABOUT, LIKE, WHAT THEY REALLY WANT TO CHANGE, BUT INSTEAD THEY’RE JUST ATTACKING EACH OTHER. AND IT’S SAD.>>Reporter: FOR THE PAST 48 YEARS THE QUÉBEC GOVERNMENT HAS SEE-SAWED BETWEEN THE FEDERALIST LIBERALS AND THE SOVEREIGNIST PARTI QUEBECOIS. THAT POLITICAL DYNAMIC APPEARS TO BE ON ITS WAY OUT.>>NOTHING IS FOR SURE, EVERYTHING IS UP IN THE AIR AS WE SPEAK. BUT THERE’S A GOOD CHANCE THAT MR. LEGAULT WILL BE HEADING A MINORITY GOVERNMENT.>>Reporter: FOR MUCH OF THE CAMPAIGN THE C.A.Q. AND THE LIBERALS HAVE BEEN NECK-IN-NECK WHEN IT COMES TO THE POPULAR VOTE. BECAUSE THEY’RE SO CLOSE THE OTHER TWO PARTIES, THE P.Q. AND QUÉBEC SOLIDAIRE, COULD INFLUENCE A MINORITY GOVERNMENT.>>ALL OF THE PEOPLE THAT I HAVE BEEN TALKING TO ABOUT THE ELECTIONS THEY SAY THAT THE QUÉBEC SOLIDAIRE IS GETTING TO GET MORE SEATS, I GUESS. WHICH IS GOOD.>>Reporter: WHILE MANY YOUNG MONTREALERS FEEL THAT WAY, IT MIGHT BE DECIDED BY BALLOTS CAST OUTSIDE THE CITY IN THE REST OF THE PROVINCE.>>THE C.A.Q. IS CONCENTRATING ON THOSE RIDINGS, ON THOSE SEATS TO WIN. SO THEY MIGHT JUST WIN THE GOVERNMENT WITHOUT HAVING A SINGLE RIDING ON THE ISLAND OF MONTRÉAL.>>Reporter: STILL, HE SAYS THAT AFTER YEARS OF COVERING QUÉBEC POLITICS THAT HE LEARNED TO ALWAYS BE READY FOR A SURPRISE.>>Rosemary: JAELA IS JOINING ME NOW FROM QUÉBEC CITY. JAELA, THERE WAS ONE ISSUE THAT NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE TALKING ABOUT DURING THIS CAMPAIGN AND THAT’S SOVEREIGNTY. WHY NOT?>>Reporter: WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS AT PLAY HERE IS THAT THE SOVEREIGNIST PARTI QUEBECOIS, THEY HAVE SAID IF THEY WERE TO BE ELECTED THEY WOULD ONLY HOLD A REFERENDUM IN A SECOND MANDATE MANDATE. SO FAR THEY HAVE BEEN POLLING THIS THIRD PLACE. BUT ANOTHER FACTOR THAT YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER IS THAT WHEN YOU TALK TO THE AVERAGE QUÉBECER, EVEN IF THEY DO BELIEVE IN SOVEREIGNTY, THAT’S JUST REALLY WHAT’S NOT TOP OF MIND FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE RIGHT IN THIS PROVINCE. THEY’RE CONCERNED WITH PRESSING ISSUES LIKE HEALTH CARE, EDUCATION, TRANSIT AND INFRASTRUCTURE. SO REALLY WE’VE BEEN SEEING A FUNDAMENTAL SHIFT, AT LEAST IN THIS ELECTION CAMPAIGN, IN THE WAY THAT ELECTION CAMPAIGNS IN QUÉBEC PLAY OUT.>>Rosemary: JAELA, IT WILL BE AN EXCITING NIGHT TOMORROW NIGHT. WE’LL SEE YOU THEN.>>Reporter: MY PLEASURE.>>Rosemary: WE’RE TRACKING THE BREAKING NEWS, A DEAL HAS BEEN REACHED ON NAFTA. AT THIS HOUR THE PRIME MINISTER IS INSIDE HIS OFFICE WITH CABINET MINISTERS HOLDING A MEETING.>>Reporter: DEAL OR NO DEAL, MR. PRIME MINISTER? DEAL OR NO DEAL?>>Rosemary: HERE HE IS ARRIVING JUST A COUPLE HOURS AGO. NOT REVEALING ANYTHING. BUT, HE WAS HEADING THERE TO MEET WITH CABINET MINISTERS AND TO GIVE THEM A BRIEFING ABOUT WHERE THE NEGOTIATIONS ARE AT AFTER MORE THAN 13 MONTHS OF TALKS BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES AND CANADA AND MEXICO. THAT IS JUST OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING AT THIS HOUR. WE’RE WAITING TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THE DEAL AND, OF COURSE, THE DETAILS OF WHAT CANADA WON AND WHAT WE CONCEDED WHR. IT BE ON CHAPTER 19, DISPUTE RESOLUTION MECHANISM. DAIRY AND ALSO AUTOS. SOME OF THE KEY STICKING POINTS IN THESE NEGOTIATIONS. WE’LL HAVE MORE FOR YOU THROUGHOUT THE EVENING. BUT STILL AHEAD ON “THE NATIONAL,” THE SUNDAY INTERVIEW. MARK CRITCH TALKS ABOUT THE COMEDY BUG AND MAKING FUN OF POLITICIANS AND THAT ONE TIME THAT HE MIGHT HAVE GONE A LITTLE TOO FAR.>>Adrienne: AND WE LOOK AT WHY SO MANY WERE LEFT WITHOUT CELL SERVICE AFTER THE DEVASTATING TORNADOES IN ONTARIO AND QUÉBEC.>>Rosemary: AND A HARD LOOK AT THE PROFITS THAT PROVINCES MAKE FROM GAMBLING.>>I HAVE FLASH BACKS OF ME CRYING HYSTERICALLY AT THE MACHINE. THERE’S A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE ME WITH MENTAL ILLNESS.>>Rosemary: WE’LL TALK TO ONE WOMAN WHO IS TAKING ON THE B.C. GOVERNMENT WHEN SHE “GOES PUBLIC.” THAT IS NEXT. (*)>>Adrienne: THAT CLEANUP IS WELL UNDERWAY IN THE OTTAWA-GATINEAU REGION BUT SO MUCH HAS BEEN RUINED, SO MANY PROBLEMS LAID BARE. THAT INCLUDES A SITUATION OFFICIALS REALISED IN THE EARLY AFTERMATH OF THE STORM, THE INABILITY TO COMMUNICATE BOTH WITH THEIR STAFF AND THE PUBLIC. EVAN DYER EXPLAINS WHY THAT HAPPENED AND WHAT IT COULD MEAN.>>Reporter: THE TORNADOES TORE A SWATH OF DESTRUCTION THROUGH THE NATION’S CAPITAL, WRECKING HOMES AND UPROOTING TREES. WHEN IT WAS OVER THE CITY’S CELL TOWERS WERE STILL STANDING. BUT AS THE HOURS TICKED BY PEOPLE BEGAN TO NOTICE A STRANGE PHENOMENON, INCLUDING THE CITY’S MANAGER.>>MY CELLPHONE ON FRIDAY NIGHT WAS NOT WORKING AND I COULDN’T GET A SIGNAL. I HAD TO LEAVE MY HOUSE AND DRIVE INTO TOWN UNTIL I FOUND A COUPLE BARS SO I COULD OPERATE WITH THE EMERGENCY OPERATION CENTRE. I WAS SITTING IN THE CAR IN MY PYJAMAS. IT’S THE TRUTH, I SWEAR TO GOD.>>Reporter: THE TORNADOES BROUGHT MASSIVE POWER CUTS AND AS THE POWER CUTS DRAGGED ON, THE CELL TOWERS AROUND THE CITY SAW THEIR SIGNALS WEAKEN AND THEN WINK OUT.>>IT’S NOT A SURPRISE BECAUSE OUR CELLPHONES CONNECT TO THE CELLULAR TOWERS AND CELLULAR TOWERS, THEY ARE POWERED BY THE GRID. SO IF THERE’S AN OUTAGE OF THE POWER GRIDS THERE’S DEFINITELY PROBLEMS WITH CELL COMMUNICATIONS. SO MOST OF THE TIME THEY HAVE BACKUP BATTERIES BUT THOSE BACKUP BATTERIES WILL ONLY LAST FOR A SHORT TIME.>>Reporter: THE PROBLEM IS MADE WORSE BY THE FACT THAT AFTER A NATURAL DISASTER CELLPHONE USE TYPICALLY GOES UP AS PEOPLE CALL 911 AND CHECK ON FRIENDS AND FAMILY. AND THAT DRAWS DOWN THE BATTERIES EVEN FASTER.>>THEY HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS, THAT THIS IS DEFINITELY A BIG PROBLEM IN THE INDUSTRY. AND THAT’S WHY THEY HAVE BACKUP BATTERIES AND THAT’S WHY ALSO SOMETIMES THEY HAVE EVEN DIESEL ENGINES THERE. BUT, AGAIN, IF YOU HAVE EXTREME WEATHER SUCH AS A TORNADO, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE BIG TROUBLE.>>Reporter: BEFORE THE SWITCH TO WIRELESS THE SYSTEM WASN’T THIS VULNERABLE.>>THE PREVIOUS PHONE SYSTEM, COPPER ONE, THE PHONE COMPANIES TENDED TO BE ABLE TO KEEP IT RUNNING TWO, THREE DAYS WITHOUT RUNNING OUT OF GENERATOR POWER. SO THAT’S SORT OF A BASELINE STANDARD, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD TRY TO GET BACK TO. THE NETWORK, I GUESS THAT I’LL CALL IT RESILIENCE, HASN’T BEEN REGULATED FOR SOME TIME. SO THE LAST QUALITY OF SERVICE, IF YOU’LL CALL IT, REGULATIONS, WERE RETIRED IN 2008 AND 2009. IN THE NAME OF — YOU KNOW, THE OPEN MARKET AND THIS SORT OF THING TO LOOK AFTER ITSELF. BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE FREE MARKET DOESN’T TEND TO SPEND MONEY ON EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS.>>Reporter: WITH CLIMATE CHANGE BRINGING EVER STRONGER STORMS AND CELLPHONE NETWORKS REQUIRING EVER MORE ELECTRICITY, MANY EXPERTS SAY THAT IT’S TIME TO THINK ABOUT GETTING MORE BACKUP POWER TO KEEP THE NETWORKS THAT PEOPLE DEPEND ON UP AND RUNNING. EVAN DYER, CBC NEWS, OTTAWA.>>Rosemary: STILL AHEAD ON “THE NATIONAL,” THIS GUY IS A REAL SON OF A CRITCH. WORRIED THERE, WEREN’T YOU? IN OUR “SUNDAY INTERVIEW,” MARK CRITCH TALKS TO ME ABOUT HIS ISOLATED CHILDHOOD, GETTING HIS FIRST BIG LAUGH AND MAKING IT BIG WITH PROUD SHADDY PARENTS.>>I HEAR THAT YOU’LL BE THE NEW RICK MERCER. AND I’M LIKE, WHO TOLD YOU THIS? AND SOMEONE SAID, YOUR DAD HAS BEEN CALLING THE MEDIA. I HAVE A SCOOP FOR YOU (*) (*)>>Rosemary: TO SOME CANADIANS NEWFOUNDLAND AND LABRADOR WAS INVENTED FOR POSTCARDS, A LANDSCAPE OF JAGGED COASTLINES AND FISHING BOATS AND THE MAGNETIC PULL OF THE OCEAN. FOR MARK CRITCH, NEWFOUNDLAND IS HOME. AND WHILE HE DOESN’T SEE HIS BELOVED PROVINCE IN QUITE THE SAME LIGHT, HIS GROWING UP IN 1980s ST. JOHN’S DOES EXPLAIN A FEW THINGS. (*) MARK CRITCH IS ONE OF THE MOST RECOGNIZABLE FACES IN CANADIAN COMEDY.>>WELCOME TO THE SHOW.>>Rosemary: BEST KNOWN AS AN ANCHOR AND ROVING REPORTER ON “22 MINUTES.”>>THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS, SIR. YOU CAN CHOKE PEOPLE AND YOU CAN — [laughter]>>Rosemary: THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER HE’S TAKEN AIM AT A LOT OF BIG NAMES — FROM FELLOW NEWFOUNDLANDER ALAN DOYLE.>>WHAT ARE YOU ASKING?>>Rosemary: TO PRIME MINISTER JUSTIN TRUDEAU. EVEN THAT GUY SOUTH OF THE BORDER.>>IT’S NOT RAINING, DO NOT TWEET THAT IT IS RAINING. GOD IS NOT PEEING ON ME.>>THERE’S A BASILICA BEHIND US AT THE TOP OF THE HILL.>>Rosemary: COMING FROM A PROVINCE KNOWN FOR STORYTELLING, CRITCH IS TELLING HIS.>>I DON’T SWIM AND I DON’T SKATE AND I DON’T RIDE A BIKE.>>Rosemary: HAS MEMOIR PAINTS A PICTURE OF GROWING UP IN NEWFOUNDLAND THAT IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN YOU MIGHT THINK.>>IT IS NOT A LIGHTHOUSE AND NO SCHOONERS AND IT’S NOT THE NEWFOUNDLAND EXPERIENCE.>>Rosemary: I MET UP WITH MARK CRITCH IN ST. JOHN’S FOR A TOUR. THIS PLACE, WHAT IS IT CALLED LPSU HALL?>>THE LSPU HALL.>>Rosemary: THE LSPU HALL. WHAT IS THIS PLACE TO YOU?>>THIS ORIGINALLY WAS A LONG SHOREMAN PROTECTED UNION. THE LONG SHOREMEN WOULD COME HERE AND YELL AND SCREAM. AND THE ARTSY CROWD AND THEY DID A THEATRE HERE. SO THIS IS WHERE I — WHEN I WAS 15 YEARS OLD I DID MY FIRST SHOW HERE. I CAME DOWN HERE AND ASKED TO RENT IT AND THEY GAVE US ON A 60/40 SPLIT AND WE DID THE SHOW. AND AFTERWARDS WHEN THEY GAVE ME THE 60% I THOUGHT THEY MADE A MISTAKE AND TOOK OFF. YES, THIS IS THE FIRST PLACE THAT I PERFORMED ANYTHING THAT I HAD EVER WRITTEN.>>Rosemary: SO PART OF YOUR CHILDHOOD IS DEFINED BY WHERE YOU LIVED, WHICH WE’LL GO AND CHECK OUT. BUT SORT OF REMOTE, THE HOUSE CAME WITH YOUR DAD’S JOB AS A REPORTER?>>YEAH. DAD WAS BASICALLY A LIGHTHOUSE KEEPER BUT HIS LIGHTHOUSE WAS A RADIO STATION. AND DAD WAS A JOURNALIST. SO HE WAS THE LAST LIVING PERSON TO COVER CONFEDERATION WITH CANADA. AND THEN WHEN HE WAS WITH THE NEWSPAPER. AND THEN HE WENT INTO RADIO. AND HE WAS VERY WELL KNOWN AROUND HERE FOR CRIME REPORTS BECAUSE HE HAD A VERY ST. JOHN TOWNIE ACCENT. MIKE CRITCH… IT WAS THE WAY THAT HE SPOKE. AND EVERYBODY KNEW, EVERYBODY COULD DO AN IMPRESSION OF DAD. BUT HE — WE LIVED RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE STATION WHICH WAS ON BASICALLY THE TRANS-CANADA HIGHWAY BECAUSE IT WAS — THEY NEEDED A HIGH POINT FOR THE TRANSMITTER.>>SO SOMETIMES THE BIG BLACK CAR WOULD PULL UP HERE AND JOEY SMALLWOOD WOULD JUST PUT DOWN THE WINDOW OF THE CAR AND KIND OF LEAN OUT AND YOU’D LOOK UP, THERE’S THE PREMIER. HOW ARE THINGS TODAY? THINGS ARE WONDERFUL, AND THINGS ARE FINE, THINGS ARE INCREDIBLE — JOBS, JOBS, JOBS AND THEN THE CAR WOULD PEEL AWAY. HE WOULDN’T EVEN GET OUT OF THE CAR SO THAT WAS VERY EXCITING FOR ME.>>Rosemary: YOUR MOM TOO WAS A STORYTELLER AND A GOSSIP IT SOUNDED LIKE? SHE KNEW WHAT WAS HAPPENING EVERYWHERE.>>MOM — MOM WAS PERPETUALLY TALKING, LIKE CONSTANTLY.>>Rosemary: ONE OF THE BEST STORIES AND I DIDN’T KNOW THAT YOU WERE ASTHMATIC — EPILEPTIC. SO ONE OF THE BEST STORIES IS WHEN THE POPE COMES TO TOWN AND SHE GETS IN HER HEAD THAT HE CAN CURE YOU.>>WELL, IT’S NOT NECESSARILY A CURE, BUT IT’S YOUR THAT SON HAS WHAT THE BIBLICAL WRITERS WOULD SAY IS DEMONS. AND THE PONTIFF HAPPENS TO BE IN TOWN. HE’S DOES A DRIVE-BY. THERE’S A CHANCE, RIGHT?>>STEPPING ON NEWFOUNDLAND SOIL…>>AND THE POPE HAD NEVER BEEN HERE BEFORE. AND SO, YEAH, SO THEY BROUGHT ME DOWNTOWN. AND WE WERE OUT AND THERE WAS A HORRIBLE STORM AND WE HAD TO WAIT FOR THE POPE TO GO BY. AND THAT WAS IT. AND IT’S LIKE YOU FEEL BETTER? I GUESS. AND, YEAH, AND THEN WE WERE TRYING TO GET OUT OF THERE AND THE TRAFFIC WAS SO BAD SO SHE KEPT DRIVING. THEN THE CANADIAN ARMY TRIED TO SAY YOU CAN’T AND DOWN HERE. AND MOM SAID, JUST PRETEND THAT YOU’RE HAVING AN ASTHMA ATTACK. I HAVE TO GET MY SON TO THE HOSPITAL, WING HER THROUGH, AND WE HAD A MOTORCADE OF POLICE AND I’M FAKE WHEEZING IN THE BACK. AND ACTUALLY TO START TO ACTUALLY WHEEZE. IT WAS THAT KIND OF THING.>>Rosemary: I UNDERSTOOD YOUR MOM WHEN YOU TOLD THAT STORY.>>SCREW THIS, WE’RE GOING THROUGH. THAT KIND OF THING. AND THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL TO ME, THAT KIND OF THING, BECAUSE LATER ON PEOPLE WOULD SAY, NO, THE PRIME MINISTER WON’T DO AN INTERVIEW, OR, NO, YOU CAN’T GO IN THERE BECAUSE SO AND SO IS IN THERE. YOU KNOW, I’LL FAKE AN ASTHMA ATTACK AND GO THROUGH. THERE’S ALWAYS A WAY, RIGHT, THERE’S ALWAYS A WAY.>>Rosemary: YEAH. I WONDERED BEING IN THAT HOUSE SORT OF ISOLATED, I WONDER WHETHER THAT HELPED YOU TO BECOME THE PERSON THAT YOU ARE IN SOME WAY WITH YOUR IMAGINATION OR WITH YOUR –>>YEAH, I GUESS THAT THERE’S — THERE’S ONLY TWO WAYS TO GO I WOULD GUESS. IT WOULD BE LIKE SOME FORM OF ENTERTAINER OR SERIAL KILLER. I THINK THAT THERE’S TWO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF CAREER PATHS AT THAT POINT.>>RIGHT HERE WAS WHERE I DID EVERYTHING. SO, LIKE, I WOULD BE — MY BEDROOM WAS RIGHT HERE AND THE TV WAS RIGHT HERE. SO I WOULD SIT HERE AND JUST WATCH WAYNE AND SCHUSTER FOR HOURS.>>Rosemary: IT’S NOT A VERY BIG HOUSE.>>IT WAS ABOUT THE SAME SIZE AS THE HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET. IT WAS JUST A TINY HOUSE BY TODAY’S STANDARDS, YOU KNOW. YOU VERY MUCH WERE LEFT TO YOUR OWN DEVICES AND YOU HAD TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING. SO, YEAH, THE STORIES AND THE CHARACTERS AND LITTLE PLAYS AND ACTION FIGURES, WHAT HAVE YOU. AND THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, YOUR WHOLE WORLD IS KIND OF IN YOUR HEAD.>>Rosemary: WHICH BECAME SORT OF THE CHALLENGE THEN WHEN YOU GOT SENT OFF TO SCHOOL MUCH TO YOUR HORROR?>>YEAH.>>Rosemary: YOU THOUGHT THEY WERE JOKING?>>I THOUGHT THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS TO A GENTLEMAN. I HAVE A FINE LIFE HERE. YES. I KNEW MY BROTHER GOT ON THE SCHOOL BUS BUT HE WAS MUCH OLDER. AND NOT AS OUTGOING AS I WAS. SURELY TO GOD. BUT, NO, I HAD NO IDEA. AND IT WASN’T A BIG THING ABOUT IT EITHER. BECAUSE I REMEMBER THAT WHEN I GREW UP THERE WAS NO KIDS AROUND AND ALL OF A SUDDEN MY MOM IS LIKE YOU NEED A BOOKBAG. AND I WONDER WHAT THAT IS FOR. AND THEN THE BUS COMES, THERE YOU GO. SHOULD WE NOT HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT THIS MORE? AND I GET ON THE BUS AND I HAD NEVER SEEN THAT MANY KIDS. THERE’S LIKE 30 KIDS ON THE BUS OR SOMETHING. AND I’M LIKE HI. WHAT THE HELL DO I DO NOW? THEN WE GET TO THE PARKING LOT AND THEN THERE’S OTHER BUSES AND I’M LIKE SURELY TO GOD THEY DON’T HAVE CHILDREN. THEY DO. AND THEN THERE WERE MORE KIDS INSIDE THE BUILDING AND I THOUGHT WHEN DOES THIS STOP? WHEN DOES THIS STOP! SO, YEAH, I HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO INTERACT WITH MORE THAN ONE CHILD AT A TIME OR SOMETHING.>>Rosemary: AND YOU STARTED TO — I THINK THAT IT’S THE FIRST TIME THAT YOU GOT A LAUGH WHEN YOU HAD TO DO AN INTRODUCTION OF A PLAY.>>MY FIRST LAUGH, I WAS PLAYING THE COLOUR YELLOW IN THE BIG SHOW AT THE SCHOOL CONCERT. AND THE ARCHBISHOP WAS THERE AND EVERYTHING AND IT WAS A VERY BIG DEAL. AND I WAS SAYING ARCHBISHOP, BISHOP, FATHERS, BROTHERS, SISTERS, PARENTS, FRIENDS AND PUPILS. BUT I HAD NEVER SEEN THAT WORD SO I WOULD SAY POOP-HILLS AND THEY’D LAUGH. POOL-HILLS, THEY’D LAUGH. AND I AM LIKE POOP-HILLS AND THEY LAUGHED. POOO-HILLS AND I’M JUST KIND OF GOING AND THEY HAVE THE BISHOP GOING HA, HA, HA AND I’M LIKE, HE GETS IT, HE GETS IT, HE LOVES ME! WHAT ARE YOU DOING? PUT ME BACK! SO THAT WAS THE FIRST KIND OF, OH, I SEE.>>Rosemary: THEN IT BECAME PLAYS AND THE COMEDY TROUPE.>>COMEDY STUFF AND ALL OF THAT STUFF, YEAH.>>Rosemary: SO WHAT DID THEY MAKE OF IT THEN WHEN THEY’D SEE YOU TEASING THE PRIME MINISTER, RUNNING AFTER MINISTERS. BECAUSE THAT’S DIFFERENT THAN BEING ON THE STAGE WHICH, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS IMPRESSIVE IN ITSELF. BUT TO MAKE A JOB OUT OF MOCKING PEOPLE IN POSITIONS OF AUTHORITY, I MEAN, IT’S PRETTY –>>WELL, I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS ABOUT TO GET THE JOB. WHEN MERCER LEFT AND THEN THEY BROUGHT UP MYSELF AND THE MAJUMDER TO TORONTO FOR AUDITIONS. AND SO THERE WAS ALL OF THIS TALK OF US PAIN DOING IT. AND THEN BACK HOME LOCALLY THAT GOT AROUND. SO I’M LIKE HOW DID THAT GET AROUND BECAUSE I DIDN’T TELL ANYBODY. AND AFTERWARDS WHEN THEY SAID THEY WANT YOU TO BE A WRITER AND MEDIA PEOPLE ARE GOING, I HEAR THAT YOU’LL BE THE NEW RICK MERCER AND ALL OF THIS STUFF. AND I’M LIKE, WHAT, WHO TOLD YOU THIS? AND SOMEONE SAID THAT YOUR DAD HAS BEEN CALLING THE MEDIA AND TELLING THEM, I’VE GOT A SCOOP FOR YOU, BOB. YOU MIGHT WANT TO KNOW THE KID. I’VE GOT THE CONTRACT HERE. LIKE, HE WAS VERY PROUD, THAT KIND OF THING. BUT SOMETIMES YOU WOULD SAY SOMETHING OR SOMETHING WOULD HAPPEN AND HE’D BE LIKE DID YOU HAVE TO DO THAT, YOU KNOW? DID YOU HAVE TO GO THAT FAR.>>Rosemary: WAS THERE SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN REMEMBER THAT YOU THOUGHT THAT YOU DID A DISSERVICE –>>WHEN — WHEN CAROLYN PARRISH GOT KIND OF PUSHED OUT OF GOVERNMENT BECAUSE A GUY WAS STEPPING ON A GEORGE BUSH DOLL DURING THE WAR.>>HI, I’M MARK CRITCH. THIS WEEK ON “223 MINUTES” WE’LL TALK TO CAROLYN PARRISH ABOUT THIS GUY, GEORGE W. BUSH. CAROLYN? AND IT WAS LIKE YOU HAVE RUINED THIS WOMAN’S LIFE. WHICH SHE STEPPED ON IT. I DIDN’T MEAN IT. BECAUSE THAT WAS LIKE A BIG THING. BECAUSE AT THE TIME I REMEMBER GETTING OFF THE PLANE FROM THERE AND THE TV BEING ON BACK AT WORK AND PEOPLE ARE LIKE, WHAT DID YOU DO. AND I TURNED AND DON NEWMAN WAS THERE, AND AT THE 20 SECOND MARK SHE STEPS ON THE HEAD OF GEORGE BUSH. WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT THIS MEANS? PANEL? THEY HAVE A PANEL? OH, NO! SO I WAS LIKE, OH, GEEZ, YOU SEE THE RAMIFICATIONS OF SOMETHING THAT YOU DO. BUT FOR THEM THEY THOUGHT IT WAS A BIT MUCH. THAT WAS ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THE PAPER, THE “GLOBE & MAIL” OF A PICTURE OF HER.>>Rosemary: DID YOU THINK THAT IT WAS TOO MUCH?>>NO. BUT I CALLED HER AFTERWARDS, RIGHT, AND APOLOGIZED TO HER. AND I’M LIKE I’M SO SORRY THIS HAPPENS. WE HAD A NICE TALK AND SHE SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, SCREW IT, IT’S ALL FINE AND EVERYTHING. SHE WAS VERY NICE ABOUT IT.>>Rosemary: I ASKED MERCER THIS QUESTION WHEN HE WAS WRAPPING UP THE SHOW AND IT IS STILL SOMETHING THAT I’M NOT SURE THAT I GET, NO MATTER HOW MANY BOOKS I READ OR PEOPLE I MEET. WHAT IS IT ABOUT THIS PLACE THAT CREATES PEOPLE LIKE YOU, LIKE MERCER, LIKE ALAN DOYLE, LIKE ALL OF THESE PEOPLE WITH THESE AMAZING STORYTELLING ABILITIES AND COMEDIC TALENTS? THERE’S SOMETHING HERE. WOULD YOU AGREE THAT IT MAKES PEOPLE DIFFERENT?>>I THINK THAT IT’S THE SAME THING THAT GOT ME GOING AND LIVING IN THIS WEIRD HOUSE NEXT TO A RADIO STATION. SOMETHING ABOUT THE ISOLATION. THERE’S SOMETHING IN NEWFOUNDLANDERS AND LABRADORIANS THAT ARE COMING TOGETHER IN A SMALL PLACE THAT YOU DEPEND ON EACH OTHER, IT’S A COMMUNITY. YOU KNOW THE PEOPLE AROUND YOU. YOU KNOW WHAT IS WRONG. IF SOMETHING HAPPENS, YOU FIX IT, THAT KIND OF A THING. BUT THE STORYTELLING THING IS LIKE BECAUSE OF THE ISOLATION OVER THE YEARS IN THESE SMALL COMMUNITIES YOU HAD TO ENTERTAIN EACH OTHER AS WELL. SO IF YOU DIDN’T PLAY AN ACCORDION OR SING A SONGS OR STEP DANCE OR SOMETHING, THE ONLY THING THAT YOU WERE ALLOWED TO DO WAS TALK. SO YOU GOT TO BE GOOD AT TALKING. AND NEWFOUNDLANDERS ARE GOOD AT TALKING. IF YOU WANT TO GET IN FRONT OF A NEWFOUNDLANDERS AND HAVE THEM PAY YOU $10 TO TALK, YOU BETTER TALK. BECAUSE EVERYBODY THERE CAN TALK BETTER THAN YOU. I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT SMALL PLACE AND ENTERTAINING EACH OTHER IS WHERE A LOT OF THAT COMES FROM.>>Adrienne: I KNOW THAT YOU LOVED THAT, ROSIE. YOU KNOW, JUDGING FROM THE EMAILS WHEN YOU WERE ON THAT SHOOT I THOUGHT THAT WE’D NEED AN EXTRACTION FORCE TO GET YOU OFF THE ROCK. I KNOW THAT YOU TWO COULD HAVE TALKED FOR HOURS AND HOURS. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU LEFT ON THE FLOOR?>>Rosemary: WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I ATE COD AT EVERY MEAL, LIKE EVEN AT BREAKFAST. I DON’T THINK I HAD A VEGETABLE THAT WASN’T A POTATO. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, YOU KNOW, NEWFOUNDLAND PEOPLE — EVERYONE SHOULD TRY TO GET THERE. I’M SURE THAT YOU HAVE BEEN THERE. BUT IT’S A SPECIAL, SPECIAL PART OF THIS COUNTRY. AND THE PEOPLE THERE ARE SO WARM AND SO GENEROUS, EVERYONE THAT WE MET, BRINGING THEM INTO THEIR HOMES AND TELLING US WHERE TO EAT AND DRINK AND OTHER THINGS. SO A GOOD TIME WAS HAD BY ALL.>>Adrienne: ALL IN THE NAME OF RESEARCH.>>Rosemary: THAT’S RIGHT.>>Adrienne: AHEAD ON “THE NATIONAL,” OUR MOMENT OF A PROVOCATIVE POLITICAL CARTOON BY A CANADIAN ARTIST DRAWS CONTROVERSY AROUND THE WORLD. PUBLISHED IN HALIFAX’S “CHRONICLE HERALD” IT’S BEING SHARED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BORDER AND IT’S SPARKING MIXED REACTION. BUT THE ARTIST SAYS THAT IT’S MEANT TO PROVOKE.>>IT PUTS YOU VERY, VERY MUCH IN THE MIDDLE OF IT AND THAT’S KIND OF SHOCKING. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT REALLY WAS WHAT SHE DESCRIBED THE DAY BEFORE. AND SO I THINK THAT IT FORCED PEOPLE TO ALMOST FEEL WHAT SHE FELT.>>Reporter: WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT THE DEAL?>>WE’LL HAVE IT TOMORROW.>>Reporter: IT WILL BE TOMORROW YOU SAID?>>Rosemary: THIS IS OTTAWA WHERE THE CABINET MINISTERS WERE ARRIVING NOT LONG AGO TO THE PRIME MINISTER’S OFFICE BUILDING FOR AN EMERGENCY CABINET MEETING. OF COURSE, THE BIG NEWS IS THAT A DEAL HAS BEEN REACHED ON NAFTA. WE HAVE LEARNED ALREADY A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE FINE PRINT OF THAT DEAL. KATIE SIMPSON, OF COURSE, HAS DETAILS FOR US TONIGHT. KATIE?>>Reporter: ROSIE, THE PRELIMINARY DETAILS THAT WE KNOW ABOUT ONE THING THAT WILL BE CONSIDERED A BIG WIN FOR THE CANADIAN DELEGATION, THE NAFTA TEAM, IS THAT CHAPTER 19, THE INDEPENDENT DISPUTE RESOLUTION SYSTEM, CBC NEWS HAS LEARNED THAT IT WILL REMAIN INTACT, WORD-FOR-WORD. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT CANADA HAD SAID WAS A RED LINE. WE KNOW THAT THE AMERICANS WANTED TO GET RID OF THE INDEPENDENT RESOLUTION DISPUTE SYSTEM. AND IT WAS A PERSONAL PET PEEVE OF THE LEAD AMERICAN HANDLING THE NEGOTIATIONS. U.S. TRADE REPRESENTATIVE BOB LIGHTHIZER. CANADA IS CERTAINLY GOING TO BE MAKING SOME CONCESSIONS THOUGH. AND ONE OF THOSE IS ON DAIRY. WHAT WE’RE TOLD AT THIS STAGE IS THAT THE DAIRY CONCESSIONS CANADA WILL MAKE WILL BE VERY SIMILAR TO THOSE THAT WERE MADE IN THE ORIGINAL TRANSPACIFIC PARTNERSHIP, OVER 3% MORE ACCESS THAT AMERICAN FARMERS WILL BE ABLE TO SELL THEIR GOODS IN CANADA. HOWEVER, WE NEED TO SEE DETAILS WHAT IS GOING ON WITH DAIRY. DAIRY IS A VERY COMPLICATED ISSUE. SO THERE’S THAT AS WELL. STEEL AND ALUMINUM TARIFFS WILL NOT COME OFF CANADIAN PRODUCTS, THAT’S ONE THING THAT CANADA WANTED TO SECURE BUT THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN AT THIS TIME. THE CANADIANS HOPE THAT CONVERSATIONS ON THAT CAN CONTINUE AND THAT THE AMERICANS WILL RECONSIDER. BUT CANADA WILL BE GIVEN CERTAIN ASSURANCES THAT DONALD TRUMP WILL NOT PUT TARIFFS ON CARS OR CAR PARTS WHICH IS A BIG WIN FOR CANADA.>>>Rosemary: OKAY, KATIE SIMPSON WITH A LOT OF THE NEW DETAILS AS THEY EMERGE ON THE DEAL THAT HAS BEEN REACHED BETWEEN CANADA AND THE UNITED STATES AND MEXICO. KATIE, THANK YOU FOR THAT. (*)>>>UP TO 3% OF CANADIANS ARE PROBLEM GAMBLERS, SPENDING MORE THAN THEY CAN AFFORD AND SOME LOSING HOMES AND JOBS AND RELATIONSHIPS. TONIGHT A WOMAN WITH A GAMBLING DISORDER IS CALLING OUT THE B.C. GOVERNMENT, SAYING THAT IT HADN’T MADE GOOD ON ITS PROMISE TO PROTECT PROBLEM GAMBLERS BECAUSE IT DEPENDS ON THEM FOR REVENUE. ERICA JOHNSON HAS THIS “GO PUBLIC” INVESTIGATION.>>I DON’T KNOW, $50 ON 15 MINUTES.>>Reporter: LORA IS BIPOLAR AND HAS A GAMBLING DISORDER, A RECOGNISED MENTAL HEALTH DISORDER. AS SHE DOCUMENTS IN THIS CELLPHONE VIDEO SHE SOMETIMES IS UNABLE TO STOP PLAYING THE SLOTS.>>SO ALL OF THIS IS TO HELP YOUR FIGHT? SHE’S ON DISABILITY WELFARE AFTER A WORK INJURY AND STILL CAN’T STOP GAMBLING.>>I HAVE FLASHBACKS OF ME CRYING HYSTERICALLY AT THE MACHINE. THERE’S A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE ME WITH MENTAL ILLNESS AT THE MACHINES TRYING TO DEAL WITH LIFE.>>Reporter: SHE WANTS THE B.C. GOVERNMENT TO MAKE GOOD ON A PROMISE FROM 2015 TO INTRODUCE A PRECOMMITMENT CARD, USED WITH SLOT MACHINES. THE CARD WOULD ALLOW GAMBLERS TO SET LIMITS ON HOW MUCH TIME AND MONEY THEY WANT TO SPEND BEFORE THEY HIT A CASINO. FIVE YEARS AGO B.C.’S THEN PROVINCIAL HEALTH OFFICER WROTE A REPORT URGING THE GOVERNMENT TO SPEND MORE OF ITS GAMBLING REVENUES ON PROGRAMMES FOR GAMBLERS IN TROUBLE. PROGRAMMES LIKE A PRECOMMITMENT CARD. STILL NOT IN PLACE.>>I THINK THAT IT’S A SHAME AND I THINK THAT IT’S A MISSED OPPORTUNITY AND THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE PROBABLY SUFFERED BECAUSE OF THE ABSENCE OF SUCH A PROGRAMME.>>Reporter: A LEADING GAMBLING RESEARCHER IN CANADA HAS LOOKED AT THE BILLIONS THAT GOVERNMENTS MAKE IN GAMBLING REVENUE AND HOW LITTLE GETS FUNNELLED BACK INTO PROGRAMMES THAT MIGHT HELP ADDICTS.>>PROBLEM GAMBLERS ARE A THIRD OF ALL OF THE GAMBLING REVENUE, SO IF YOU’RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING EFFECTIVE IT’S GOING TO COMPROMISE YOUR REVENUE. SO WE DON’T DO MUCH IN THE WAY OF EFFECTIVE PROGRAMMES IN CANADA. SO THAT THE REVENUE KEEPS ON COMING.>>IT’S UNACCEPTABLE.>>Reporter: B.C.’S MINISTER RESPONSIBLE FOR GAMING SAYS THAT THE PROVINCE DOES NEED TO SPEND MORE OF ITS GAMBLING REVENUE HELPING THOSE THAT GAMBLING HURTS.>>I FEAR THAT FOR TOO LONG THAT THE CALCULATION ON GAMBLING HAS BEEN A SHORT-TERM EQUATION AND WE NEED TO THINK MORE LONG TERM ABOUT IT. AND WE ARE NOW.>>Rosemary: ERICA IS JOINING US NOW. SO, ERICA, WILL B.C. INTRODUCE THESE PLAYER PRECOMMITMENT CARDS?>>WELL, THE PROVINCE JUST WRAPPED UP A TEST PILOT OF THESE CARDS AT TWO CASINOS IN KAMLOOPS, B.C. SO THE MINISTER IS HOPEFUL THAT THESE CARDS WILL COME OUT SOON BUT THE B.C. LOTTERY CORPORATION SAY THEY WANT TIME TO REVIEW THE DATA. THAT, IN FACT, IT MAY DO MORE TESTING. AND IT WANTS TO LOOK AT OTHER JURISDICTIONS THAT HAVE THIS SYSTEM IN PLACE. IN ONTARIO PRECOMMITMENT CARDS ARE IN PLACE IN TWO CASINOS AND ONTARIO PLANS TO ROLL OUT THOSE CARDS VERY SOON RIGHT ACROSS THE PROVINCE.>>Adrienne: SO IT’S ALMOST A MILLION CANADIANS THAT HAVE A GAMBLING PROBLEM OF SOME KIND. WHAT KIND OF MONEY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE?>>Reporter: WE’RE TALKING ABOUT BIG MONEY. LAST YEAR CANADIANS GENERATED OVER $17 BILLION IN GAMBLING REVENUE. HERE IN B.C. THAT FIGURE WAS $3.3 BILLION. AND THE PROVINCE GOT TO KEEP $1.4 BILLION OF THAT MONEY. NOW IT ONLY SPENT A TINY FRACTION OF THAT MONEY, $5.6 MILLION OR .4% OF ALL REVENUES ON PROGRAMMES FOR RESPONSIBLE AND PROBLEM GAMBLING.>>Rosemary: SO IT’S A MONEY-MAKING BUSINESS. ERICA, THANK YOU FOR THIS AS ALWAYS. IF YOU HAVE A STORY THAT YOU WANT ERICA AND HER TEAM TO INVESTIGATE EMAIL [email protected]>>Adrienne: NEXT ON “THE NATIONAL,” A CANADIAN POLITICAL CARTOONIST GETS SOME INTERNATIONAL RESPONSE FROM HIS DEPICTION OF THE KAVANAUGH-BLASEY FORD STORY. THE STORY BEHIND HIS PROVOCATIVE AND CONTROVERSIAL IMAGE IS OUR “MOMENT.”>>SO I THOUGHT, OKAY, I HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITH THIS. AND SINCE I HAD SEEN HER TESTIMONY AND HAD SEEN HER DESCRIBE EXACTLY WHAT SHE SAYS HAPPENED THAT DAY BACK WHEN SHE WAS A TEENAGER AND SHE AND KAVANAUGH CAME INTO CONTACT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, THAT IMAGE WAS STUCK IN MY HEAD. (*)>>I TRIED TO YELL FOR HELP. WHEN I DID BRETT PUT HIS HAND OVER MY MOUTH TO STOP ME FROM YELLING. THIS IS WHAT TERRIFIED ME THE MOST AND IT’S HAD THE MOST LASTING IMPACT ON MY LIFE.>>Adrienne: AND THE CONSEQUENCES HAVE BEEN SO FAR REACHING. THREE DAYS AFTER CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD TOLD THE WORLD WHAT HAD HAPPENED TO HER, A DAM OF RAGE AND REACTION CONTINUES TO OVERFLOW. BUT YESTERDAY THE HALIFAX CHRONICLE HERALD PUBLISHED THIS IMAGE FROM CARTOONIST BRUCE MacKINNON. IT SHOWS LADY JUSTICE PINNED DOWN, HER MOUTH COVERED BY REPUBLICAN HANDS. SOCIAL MEDIA WENT INTO OVERDRIVE. BRUCE MacKINNON DRAWS POLITICAL CARTOONS WITH RAZOR BLADES, SAID ONE TWEET. CARTOONISTS ALSO SPARKED ANGER THIS LAZY VIOLENT IMAGE MAKES ME RECOIL. MALE CARTOONISTS PROFITING OFF THIS NIGHTMARE FROM POSITIONS OF SAFETY HURTS. ACTRESS AND ACTIVIST ALYSSA MILANO SENT IT TO TRUMP SAYING THAT YOU’VE MADE A MISOGYNISTIC, HURTFUL JOKE OF OUR SUPREME COURT. AND THEY WERE GRIPPED BY THE TESTIMONY OF CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD AND HIS REACTION TO LAST WEEK’S TESTIMONY AND THE WHOLE HEARING AND WHAT DROVE HIM TO DRAW SOMETHING SO FORCEFUL AND CONTROVERSIAL, THAT’S OUR “MOMENT OF THE DAY.”>>I WATCHED THE TESTIMONY ON THURSDAY AND I WAS TRYING TO DO A CARTOON. (*) IN A CASE LIKE THIS WHERE A JUSTICE IS THE CENTRAL THEME, LADY JUSTICE, THAT FIGURE, THAT STATUE, THAT REPRESENTS, YOU KNOW, BLIND JUSTICE IS OBVIOUSLY A VERY STRONG ICON. IT WAS ONE THAT DREW ITSELF SORT OF VERY NATURALLY, JUST KIND OF PUT IT ON THE PAGE. AND THE WAY THAT THE CONCEPT CAME TO ME IN MY MIND IS THAT EXACT OVERHEAD VIEW WHERE YOU’RE ACTUALLY LOOKING DOWN AT THIS PERSON WHO IS BEING ASSAULTED AND YOU’RE ACTUALLY IN A POSITION OF THE PERSON WHO IS DOING THE ASSAULT. I THINK THAT IT FORCED PEOPLE TO ALMOST FEEL WHAT SHE FELT. I HAVE DONE MY PART. I PUT MY OPINION OUT THERE. HOW PEOPLE DISSEMINATE IT AND HOW PEOPLE HASH IT OUT IS UP TO THEM.>>Adrienne: BOY, ROSIE, ARE THEY EVER HASHING IT OUT. HE TOLD THE “WASHINGTON POST” THAT HE THOUGHT WHAT WAS HAPPENING IS THAT THE REPUBLICAN MEMBERS WERE SMOTHERING JUSTICE. AND SO HE HAD TO DEAL WITH THAT AS A SYMBOL. BUT HE ALSO SAID THAT HE KNOWS THAT HE’LL SPEND THE NEXT FOUR DAYS DEALING WITH THE EMAILS, NOT ALL OF THEM KIND. SOME PEOPLE ARE QUITE HORRIFIED BY THAT.>>Rosemary: AND THERE WAS ALSO A CARTOON THAT WAS SIMILAR TO THIS WHICH WE’LL SHOW YOU AND, AGAIN, HE, BOTH OF THESE GENTLEMEN, BOTH SAY THEY OFTEN DO THESE AND THEY DON’T KNOW WHAT THE REACTION WILL BE AND THEY DON’T EXPECT SOMETIMES THE AMOUNT OF REACTION IT GOT, WHICH IS THE CASE WITH THOSE TWO. THAT IS “THE NATIONAL” FOR SEPTEMBER 30th. GOODNIGHT.

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