Jordan Peterson: How To Deal With Depression | Powerful Motivational Speech 2018
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[Music] the question is how do you differentiate the utility of behavioral / psycho therapeutic treatments for conditions like depression versus medical treatments okay so the first thing I would say is don’t underestimate the utility of medical interventions depression is a cat catastrophe it carries with it a very high suicide rate and it also levels people out and it’s really hard on their families and so and it and it’s physiologically extraordinarily damaging and so if you’re in a depressive state and it’s severe you can try an antidepressant you’ll know in a month if it works if it works well maybe it’ll help you get your life together like we could say well maybe you’re depressed because your life isn’t very well together could be sometimes people are depressed their life is just it isn’t fine because no one’s life is fine everyone’s life is a tragedy but sometimes people have their lives in order as much as you could expect anyone to have they have friends they have an intimate relationship they have a career that they like you know they’re they’re qualified industrious people working hard on what they’re doing and and and really playing a minimum number of games with themselves and they’re terribly depressed antidepressant man that’s sometimes that will just fix it and so hooray like your biological entity if there’s something out there that can help you strengthen yourself so that you can prevail great and you know people you hear everyone takes antidepressants you know everyone’s taking them just like no one takes those bloody things without serious consideration half the time I spend with my clients who are depressed is often the two years long attempt to get them to tentatively try an antidepressant because they’re so guilty that they’re relying on an external crutch to sort out their lives that they can’t even tolerate it but you know I say well look man what if you had diabetes you’re not gonna take your insulin it’s like you got stressed you blew out at your weakest point that’s what happens when you get stressed if there’s something out there that might help you it’s like try it for God’s sake you’ll know in a month and you just stop that doesn’t work now having said that you want to do a multi-dimensional analysis it’s like well do you have any friends do you have an intimate relationship or are you pursuing one do you have a reasonable career are you as educated as you are intelligent do you have something useful to do with your time outside of work do you have a drug or alcohol problem are there other behavioral issues like sleep dysregulation and lack of eating that are contributing to the pathology you want to differentiate all of that and wherever you can make a behavioral intervention so much the better but sometimes – you’re dealing with people whose lives are so wrecked that they don’t even know where to start they’re different than the ones who have everything in order say and you say well try this man maybe you won’t cut your throat in the next month because if you’re dead it’s going to be hard to work with you and so so medical interventions anything if you’re sick you do what it’s necessary to get better and you leave your pride behind if you if you have to and that that says nothing about the utility of the behavioral interventions you want to hit the problem with everything you have at your disposal but some antidepressants especially especially for people whose lives are together and who are depressed antidepressants can be absolutely miraculous so you know when you hear about the clinical evidence in their favor being iffy and that’s partly because the diagnosis of depression isn’t very well formulated there’s it’s very different to have a terrible life than to be depressed and antidepressants can only help you so much if you have a terrible life so yeah you want to stay inside this little map because it’s working you want to get from point A to point eight point B and this is good this indicates that you are moving forward that’s the first thing it indicates and the second thing it indicates which is even more important and you’ll never hear this from behavioral psychologists is that your map is correct so every time you move a little bit forward and something that you want happens it says oh the game I’m playing is the right game and so not only does the reward indicate progress it indicates that the frame within which progress is being calculated is the right frame and that’s good because it’s the frame that makes things irrelevant and you want them to stay irrelevant so if you don’t move forward and you start to question the frame that’s way worse than merely not moving forward you get a bad examine what do you think what the hell am i doing in university anyways it’s like probably that’s not the first place you should go with that piece of information and you think well why why is that worse well as far as I can tell your map of you as University student is a comprehensive representation it tells you what you should do every day it kind of tells you where you’re going in the future and if something emerges as an anomaly you get worse grade than you expected and you blow that whole map it’s like okay what have you been doing for the last four years what kind of high school student were you how clueless are you about how you’re arranging your future what’s your identity going to be if you’re not going to be a student where are you gonna end up in five years it’s like so it’s like a that little grade that bad grade is like a portal through which snakes can crawl and that’s exactly how you respond to it especially if you open the door too much well maybe this means that I shouldn’t be in university well one of the rules is don’t you want to you want to constrain the anomalous event to the minimal necessary domain it’s really really important you want to do that when you’re arguing with your partner which you’ll do all the time we have an argument well I should never have married you it’s like no no that’s not the first response that’s a bad response or here’s a really good one you’ve always done that sort of thing and you always will it’s like oh good great it’s like the only answer to that is to hit someone because like you’re done right you’re you’re like that you’ve always like that there isn’t a chance that you could be repaired and none of it is acceptable it’s like the person’s gonna fight with you right away because what else are they gonna do so what you want to do is you want to minimize it isn’t rationalization you want to say okay this person did something that disrupted our joint map okay what’s the smallest possible thing they could do to put it back together and you have to know well we need to make a plan so you don’t do it again or we need to have a discussion so that you know that it wasn’t a good thing to do but I’m not going to go after your whole character I’m gonna say when I come home and you’re watching TV just come to the door and say hello not don’t you love me or something like that it’s like no no you just have to walk to the door and like give me a hug or something and then that’s good enough and so then the other person might be able to tolerate that much corrective information maybe if you’re kind of nice about it and you also understand that they’re probably going to have something equally horrible to say about you in the next 15 minutes because you’re gonna do something stupid so so you don’t want to you don’t want to open the door so that every possible snake comes crawling through because that’s a pathway to depression and you actually see that happening in depressed people is that every small event produces a cascade through their entire value system and they end up saying well that’s just another reason that I should jump off a bridge and they really see it that way it’s really awful because they’ve got no defenses it’s like well I I didn’t do so well in this course it’s like I’m gonna get a bad mark in the or in the exam I’m gonna get bad mark in the course that’s going to screw up my ability to finish my degree I’m never going to get into the field of my choice it’s just another piece of indication that I’m useless and that life isn’t worthwhile bang I’m going to jump off a bridge and if you’re really depressed it’s like each of those things hits you with the certainty of truth it’s really not good and so you want to be careful you want to be careful about walking down that pathway when you make a mistake you think okay what’s the narrowest framework of interpretation within which I can I can understand this that will require minimal behavioral change to decrease the probability that it will happen again it’s Mental Hygiene fund yes yeah we’ll get to that we’ll get to that that is the next question it’s because they don’t exist in isolation so and that’s another thing frequently when you when you hear behavioral accounts of cognitive processes they generally only focus on as if it’s an isolated thing it’s not it exists scalable it’s scalable a bunch of ways it’s scalable temporarily because what you do now is associated with what you’ll do tomorrow and that with what you’ll do next week and so forth so it has to be scalable temporarily and it’s also scalable socially right so it has an effect on you that has an effect on your family that has an effect on the community and so forth and so you don’t want to take it’s very difficult to think through the effect of your action and all those scaling levels simultaneously but but you have mechanisms that allow you to do that and we’ll see I think that the sense of let’s assume that you’re not lying to yourself constantly so your head isn’t full of chaos and garbage and you have reasonable relationships with people in the world I think that this is leaping way ahead I think that your sense of meaningful engagement with what you’re doing is the psychophysiological marker that you’re acting in a way that takes all of the stacked representations into account simultaneously because you’re you’re you’re like you’re trying to figure out where you are and you might think well that means where I am in this room but look this room is not a simple thing right it’s nested it’s it’s a subset of the university that’s a subset of society it’s a subset of your life the room is a complicated thing and you need to figure out where you should be in the room and you can’t do that sure surely with perception because all you see is me and some of the wall right it’s you’ve got this little narrow this little narrow portal and so you can’t really rely on your perceptions to orient you but you do orient yourself and I think what you do is you its engagement it’s like does this seem meaningful and deep and engaging yes then it’s an indication that it’s serving multiple master simultaneously so both maybe both socially and also temporarily and so I think the sense of meaning is actually an instinct that Orient’s people in time and space it’s not an empathy nomina it’s the most fundamental form of perception and that’s the only optimistic thought that I’ve ever been able to derive from psychology is that that actually could be true it could be that the sense of meaning is an orienting reflex and that would be wonderful if it was true because it would make it real you know and it’s one of the you know the one of the devastating elements of nihilism is something like well who the hell cares what you’re doing what difference is it going to make in a million years it’s like your sense of meaning is just an illusion you know you’re you’re a limited creature in a limited place and nothing you do really matters it’s like that’s a powerful argument especially if you’re an objective materialist and a reductionist it’s a killer argument but it looks to me like it’s wrong it’s actually wrong because meaning looks to me like it’s an actual phenomena it does say that your your position properly between chaos and order or something like that it’s real so well so we’ll see we’re going to develop that argument because if if it’s real you want to know that because it gives you something to stand on you know maybe it’s as real as pain but it’s not pain it’s something positive and you need something positive that you can rely on alright so and the psychoanalysts I think it air too much on the side of the subject they tend to think that too much of you is inside of you and too little of you is outside of you and part of the reason I believe that is because of my clinical experience I love the psychoanalyst man they’re brilliant they’re brilliant they’re deep they grapple with real problems like with the problems when people have real problems and I mean profound problems they’re really profound moral problems or problems of good and evil really you know there are things going on in their family that are so terrible that well that there there are sometimes fatal you know lie upon lie upon lie upon lie for Cades and decades and decades it’s awful and that’s not exactly inside them it’s out there in the world and lots of the people that I see very famous critic of psychology I can’t remember his name but I probably will criticize the practice of psychology quite effectively in the leave in the early 60s the myth of mental illness by Thomas says Szasz it’s classic you should read it if you’re interested in psychology read it like it’s a classic and he basically said most people have problems in living they don’t have psychological problems and so I’ve experienced despite my love for the psychoanalysts very frequently what I’m doing as a therapist is helping people have a life that would work you know and you can parameterize that it’s like what do you need how about some friends that people kind of like that how about an intimate relationship with someone that you can trust that maybe has a future that’d be good how about a career that puts you in a dominant Archy somewhere so at least you’ve got some possibility of rising some possibility of stabilizing yourself and our schedule in a routine because no one can live without a routine you just forget that if you guys don’t have a routine I would recommend like you get one going because you cannot be mentally healthy without a routine you need to pick a time to get up whatever time you want but pick one and stick to it because otherwise you dis regulate your circadian rhythms and they regulate your mood and eat something in the morning I had lots of clients who’ve had anxiety disorders I had one client who was literally starving very smart girl sheet there’s very little that she liked she kind of tried to subsist on like half a cup of rice a day she came to me and said I have no energy I come home all I want to do is watch the same movie over and over what like is that weird and I thought well it depends on how hard you work you know it’s a little weird but whatever it’s familiar you’re looking for comfort so I did an analysis of her diet it’s like three quarters of a cup of rice it’s like you’re starving eat something you know you’ll feel better so she modified her diet and you’re all her anxiety went away and she had some energy it’s like yeah you got to eat so a schedule that’s a good thing man your brain will thank you for it it will stabilize your nervous system with it’s a bit of a plan that’s a good thing you need a career you need something productive to do with your time you need to regulate your use of drugs and alcohol most particularly alcohol because that does even a lot of people you need a family like the family you have your parents and all that be nice if you all got along you could work on that that’s a good thing to work on and then you know you probably need children at some point that’s life that’s what life is and if you’re missing you know you may have a good reason to not be operating on one of those dimensions it’s not mandatory but I can tell you that if you’re not operating reasonably well on four I think I mentioned six if you’re not operating reasonably well on at least three of them there’s no way you’re going to be psychologically thriving and that’s more pragmatic in some sense than psychological right human beings have a nature there’s things we need and if we have them well that’s good and if we don’t have them well then we feel the lack and so behaviorists behavioral psychologists concentrate a lot more on that sort of thing you know it’s practical it’s like strategizing make a career plan figure out how to negotiate because that’s bloody important figure out how to say what you need figure out how to tell the truth to people figure out how to listen to your partner in particular because if you listen to them they will actually tell you what they want and sometimes you can give it to them and maybe they’ll return the favor and if you practice that for like 15 years well then maybe you’re constantly giving each other what you want well hooray that would be good and then there’s two of you under all circumstances and it’s better to have two brains than one because people think differently because of their temperament mostly and so the negotiation is where the wisdom arises and it’s part of the transformation the psychological transformation that’s attendant on an intimate relationship and one of the fundamental purposes of a long-term intimate relationship so we’re starting to be able to put the traits to sort of nail the traits down to their underlying biology with regards to neuroticism well if you’re high in neuroticism you’re more sensitive to anxiety and that’s it regulated at least in part by the hippocampus and and generated in part by the amygdala there’s another part of the brain called the periagua aqueduct or gray that seems to be associated with the experience of pain and pain is quite a complex phenomena depression is pain like grief is pain like social isolation is pain like disappointment is pain like there’s anxiety components to that too and so neuroticism seems to be something like threshold for activation in those negative emotion systems so if you’re higher in neuroticism one unit of uncertainty might produce let’s say three units of psychophysiological response whereas if you’re lower in neuroticism one unit of uncertainty might produce one unit of psycho physiological response it’s hard you know obviously that’s a simplified schematic but there’s variability because if something unexpected or her threatening happens to you it isn’t obvious how upset you should get one answer what might be brush it off it’s nothing another answer might be it’s a bloody catastrophe and often when something uncertain or threatening occurs you don’t have enough information at your disposal to make a full determination of the potential import of this of the circumstance especially if it’s uncertain and so then you have to guess at how upset you should be and where you are on the normal distribution with regards to trait neuroticism say that sort of determines what your guests on average is going to be so you know the other with conscientiousness say you might say well how hard should you work well that’s a really difficult question if you’re gonna die tomorrow and then you probably shouldn’t work very hard today at all so one thing you might say is that the degree to which you should work hard is dependent on your assumptions about the stability of the future we actually know this to be true because if you put people in wildly uncertain circumstances they discount the future which is exactly what you should do right it’s only makes sense to store up goods for future consumption if the future is likely to be very similar to the past and the present you need a stable society for that and conscientiousness only works in a stable society because all you do otherwise if you’re piling up goods which is kind of what conscientious people do is leaving them there for the criminals to take or waiting for the next chaotic upheaval to wipe out everything that you’ve stored and so even conscientiousness is a kind of guess hard-working people say well you know sacrifice the present for the future that’s great as long as the future is going to be there and you can predict it but if it’s not going to be there and it’s unpredictable then the right response is take what you can take right now well the getting’s good now you know obviously there are troubles with that too it I’m speaking you know I’m offering rough rules of thumb but I’m trying to provide you with some indication of how and why these difference in value structures exist because they’re applicable in different environments you know sometimes in a dangerous social environment it’s not obvious that being an extroverted person is a good idea because extroverted people they stand out especially if they’re extroverted and creative right because not only are they noisy and and dominant and assertive they’re also colorful and and flamboyant and provocative what happens to people is that as they move towards zero positive feedback loops get set up so they’re more likely to hit zero and as they move away from zero positive feedback loops get set up so that they’re increasingly more likely to move away from zero so here’s an example let’s say you’re not doing too bad so maybe you’re in the middle of the normal distribution then you lose your job okay and so let’s say you’re a conscientious person and we can say just for the sake of argument that you lose your job because of mass layoffs in your company so it has nothing to do with you it’s fundamentally it’s just like luck of the draw basically but then what happens to you well if you’re conscientious you’re gonna you’re gonna go after yourself pretty hard so you’re gonna and especially if you’re also high in neuroticism it’s gonna depress you to lose your job and maybe you’re in a situation where you just for one reason or another you don’t have that many other opportunities now maybe you should look for them but maybe you’re in a depressed strata of the economy or you’re geographically located somewhere that makes moving difficult or so on and so forth you know so but you you lose a job and then you start to get depressed because of that well then as you start to get depressed you know it decreases the probability that you’re gonna look for a job but also maybe starts to put stress on your family and it also starts to decrease the probability that you’re in going to engage in positive social interaction so now not only are you unemployed and suffering from economic stress but your marriage is starting to suffer and you’re starting to isolate yourself from your friends and then of course as your marriage suffers and the stress builds up then that’s going to make you more depressed and that’s going to keep you even farther away from your friends and that’s going to decrease the likelihood that you’re gonna have enough positive emotion and enthusiasm to look for another job and then you know maybe you want to add a bit of a drinking problem to that just for fun and you can see that you can get a spiral going that’s just taking you down right and there’s all sorts of things because lots of times people conceptualize let’s say you know you’re unemployed guy and you go to counseling and you get a diagnosis of depression and the thing about a diagnosis of depression it’s sort of like the assumption is there’s something gone wrong with your psychological structure it’s like if you’re unemployed and you you’re depressed it isn’t obvious at all that the problem is in your head you know you know what I mean it’s it doesn’t it doesn’t even obvious that it’s a psychological problem it’s just a problem and problems can take you out and so the you know if you’re unemployed and you’re under economic stress and your marriage is starting to shake and you’re isolating yourself from your friends and you’re less likely to be motivated to go look for a job you sort of think about that as a depressive spiral but you can also think of it as a conspiracy in some sense of external forces that are augering you into the ground and we don’t tend to conceptualize psychological disorders that way but we should because lots of times when people are suffering from something that you could describe in Psychological terminology and depression is a very good example of that it isn’t obvious that there’s something wrong with them psychologically often they just are in trouble and there isn’t a category in in psychological diagnosis for client in serious trouble but my experience has been almost without exception that the people that come to see me come to see me because something’s gone wrong with their life not because they have a psychological problem now you could say well there are psychological inadequacies such as they might be are interfering with their ability to recover or maybe even served as precursors to you know increase the probability of the catastrophe and so a well-functioning personality has all the micro routines in place that’s actually something that you help people with if you’re a behavioral therapist because one of the things you assume if you’re a behavioral therapist is that sometimes the reason people aren’t doing things is because they don’t know how you know sometimes maybe the person is depressed but potentially high-functioning they got all the damn micro routines they’re well socialized they’re just dormant you got to get them awake again and implementing them but sometimes you get someone in your practice say who’s just being neglected like you cannot believe right the parents never paid any attention to them or maybe just punished them every time they did something good that’s really fun and then you know they didn’t make friends and so they’re really really big and and and poorly articulated and so then what you do is you work at the bottom of the micro routines and get them to practice building up all these little attributes that they didn’t build up and you know one of the things you can think about in terms of character development is so now maybe understand something about your own personality you might say well what could you do to improve your personality and the answer is develop some of the micro routines on the other side of the personality distribution so if you’re disagreeable as hell maybe you could start learning how to do nice things for people and that actually works by the way so if you take disagreeable people who are depressed and you get them doing nice things for other people their depression tends to lift but then by the same token if you’re agreeable then you should practice doing some things for yourself and being more tough minded in your negotiations and so you can sort of place yourself on the on the personality trait distribution you know you’re extrovert it’s like okay man learn to spend some time with yourself right you’re low in openness well try reading a book that’s outside of your you know your your sphere of interest now and then if you’re conscientious well you should probably learn how to relax occasionally and and so forth so you can I think partly what you’re doing is you’re developing your personality is not moving the mean much the average where you know where you’re located but you’re extending the standard deviation so that you’re a bigger bag of tricks than you were before and I think you can practice that consciously it’s like you’re hyper orderly it’s well get a dog you know dogs they’re messy horrible things you know it’s just what you need if you’re hyper orderly because they’re gonna leave hair everywhere and force you live with it and so okay so and so this is sort of you right this is your personality it’s this connect collection of root subroutines that you’ve turned into a hierarchy and then there’s something at the top of it and that’s that’s a big question like what the hell should be at the top of the hierarchy because that’s the ultimate question of unity and then the the clinicians would say well it’s the self-actualized person or it’s the self or something like that you know that’s that’s the ID that’s the implicit and perhaps explicit ideal that you’re aiming for and you might say well is does such thing exists that I would say well do you admire people because that’s your answer right do you despise people well you like some people and you don’t like others you respect some people you don’t respect others well you’re acting out the notion that there’s at least an implicit ideal you do the same thing when you go to movies you know you you know who the hero is you know who the bad guy is you’re acting out the proposition that there’s some sort of value hierarchy and there’s some sort of manifestation of it that’s coherent across time so you appear to believe that and you know you are driven at least to some degree by your own inner ideals and so you tend to answer the question is that real with an affirmative and if you don’t there’s catastrophic consequences Nietzsche and the existentialist we’re very good at detailing maths like you let your value hierarchy disintegrate well then what well part of it is nihilistic chaos whoo that’s not so much fun and then there’s the alignment of nihilistic chaos with the intrinsic desire that someone will come along and tell you what to do right so what happens is if you let this devolve you end up with nihilistic exists not with nihilistic chaos or the demand for for the tyrant to come forward and we’ve had that happen lots of times and doesn’t seem to have gone that well so all right well so what happens when you you lay out these little routines in the world at different levels of analysis well this is how your emotions function broadly speaking you know you’re aiming at something and this is an oversimplification which is why I want to show you this right when I show you this assume that it’s made out of that right it’s just a schematic oversimplification because even if let’s say that I’m trying to do something as simple as walking towards the door I mean that the action of walking towards the door is predicated on the existence of all the subroutines that enable me to propel my body across time and space and like there’s that took a lot of internal organization to get that right it’s a traumatized now and so you can treat it like it’s invisible but implicit in any one of these structures is this entire structure and you actually see this in therapy very frequently – okay one of the things that I figured out over the last years is this is a good proposition so you know it’s pretty self-evident that life is has got its rat’s nest of miseries and that’s for sure and maybe you could even make a categorical statement that life is mostly a rat’s nest of misery you know you can make a pretty powerful argument for that but then there’s a counter question which is well what if you tried not to make it any more miserable that had had to be right then what then what would it be like and my suspicions are is that law about misery I would suspect that most of that misery would go away because it’s the unnecessary misery that really brings you down you know it’s like well someone has cancer it’s like that sucks but it’s not like it’s not like you can say if only we had done this differently then that wouldn’t have happened but when someone’s out like torturing you in a malevolent way or maybe you’re doing the same you can always ask yourself well really it’s this really necessary is this just like an useless add-on to the miseries of life that’s what disheartens people and so even in your own life if if you if you aren’t suffering from self-imposed misery and you’re only suffering from an escapable misery maybe you could handle that and you know you could you could survive you could bear it and even maybe without becoming irredeemably corrupt and so the goal would be well yeah life is a rat’s nest of miseries and maybe it has no ultimate meaning we could say that for feeling particularly pessimistic but it still leaves one question open which is if you didn’t do everything you could to make it worse how good could you make it be and the least answer is well it it could be tragedy but maybe not hell and I think that’s right I really believe that that’s that’s the most pessimistic proper statement the worst-case outcome in the worst of all possible worlds is that your life could be tragic but not hell and that’s blood better than hell right it’s it’s and you think I could give you an example of the difference you’re at your mother’s deathbed well that’s tragedy here’s another scenario you’re out your mother’s deathbed and all you you and all your idiot siblings are arguing well that’s the difference between tragedy and hell and you might be able to tolerate the first circumstance and maybe it would even bring you closer together with your family members the second one no one can bear that you walk away from a situation like that sick of yourself and sick of everything else – and you know it’s often the case that tragic circumstances bring out the Dragons because the stress is high and all those things that people haven’t dealt with they don’t have the energy to repress and and all the bitterness comes pouring forward it’s like seriously man so that’s actually a good it’s a rough lesson but it’s a good hallmark for figuring out whether or not you’re you’ve got yourself adjusted properly and in relationship to your siblings it’s like if you all gathered around the bed of someone close who is dying could you manage it if they there is no it’s like well put your life together because it’s going to happen and you should be the person who’s there that can do it and do it properly and then maybe you’d find that it isn’t the sort of thing that will undermine your faith in life itself and I’ve seen I’ve seen both of those situations you know ugly ugly ugly situations you know murderously ugly situations and then their opposite where people have had terrible things happening to happen to them as a family and you know they pull together and they rebuild their damn ship and they sail away so that seems to me to be a lot better that makes you know when the flood comes right well okay so the same thing the question emerges well who are you well you could say your this plan that’s what people usually that’s how people usually identify maybe they have no plan at all and they’re just in chaos right that’s like being in the belly of the beast they’re nihilistic and chaos they have no plan they’re just chaos itself and that’s a very dreadful situation for people to be in or maybe they conjure together a plan that’s their identity it’s kind of fragile and they’re holding on to that with with everything they’ve got it’s their little stick of wood that they’re floating in the ocean clinging to you know and so they’re identifying really hard with that plan that’s what happens when you’re an ideologue is that you’re identifying really hard with that plan the problem is is something comes up to confront it well how do you act well you can’t let go with a plan because you drown then you cling to it rigidly well that’s no good because then you can’t learn anything then if that’s you you’re a totalitarian you’re not going to learn anything you’re going to end up in something that’s close enough to hell so that you won’t know the difference and you might drag everyone along with you that’s happened plenty of times right it’s the whole story of the 20th century it happened over and over and over and it happens in people’s states it’s happens in their business organizations that happens in their cities that happens in their provinces it happens in their States and it happens in their psyches all at the same time you can’t blame the manifestation of that sort of thing on any of those one levels it happens when a society goes down that way it goes down everywhere at the same time it’s not the totalitarians at the top and all the happy people striving to be at the bottom it’s not that at all it’s totalitarianism at every single level of the hierarchy including the psychological and so you don’t want to be the thing you don’t want to be in chaos that’s for sure but you don’t want to be the thing that clings so desperately to the raft that you can’t let go when someone comes to rescue you right you don’t want to be that so then you think well exactly what are you you know what the chaos you know what the plan maybe your the thing that confronts the obstacle and I would say that’s the categorical lesson of of psychology insofar as it has to do with personal transformation that’s what you always teach people in psychotherapy I don’t care what sort of psychotherapists you are you’re always teaching them the same thing you’re the thing that can you not you’re not the plan you’re the thing that can confront the obstacle to the plant and then when you know even further that the obstacle is not only an obstacle but opportunity itself well then your whole view of the world can change because you might think well I’ve got this plan something came up to object to it it’s like it’s possible that the thing that’s objecting has something to teach you that will take you to the place where you develop an even better plant that’s a nice framework to use it’s like are you so sure that this is a problem is that the only way that you can look at it or is it an opportunity I mean I’m not trying to be you know naively optimistic there are some things that’s pretty hard to extract gold from some dragons and maybe the death of a family member is a good example of that but in even in a situation like that I can tell you that it’s an opportunity for it’s an opportunity for maturation that’s for sure and the thing is you might say well it’s pretty miserable to go to be digging for gold when someone’s falling into the grave well if they really loved you first of all that’s what they’ll want you to do and second you’re gonna make their death a lot more palatable experience for them if you’re someone who can be in the room and be helpful instead of be you know quivering in the corner and feeling that the entire world is collapsing in on you I mean that’s another you want to be the useful person at the funeral how’s that for a goal that’s a good goal man you know that you’ve got yourself together in a situation like that because you’re gonna be at them and maybe you want to be the person on whose shoulder people cry that’d be a good goal that’s kind of you know I don’t like being I evilly optimistic so when I tell you to get your life together I’m not going to say roses and sunshine it’s like that’s that’s that’s that’s pablum for fools but it really is something to be the reliable person out of funeral there’s this idea in union psychology called the circumambulation and you only had this idea that you had a potential future self which would be in potential everything that you could be and that it manifests itself moment to moment in your present life by making you interested in things and the things that you’re interested in are the things that would guide you along the path that would lead you to maximal development now it sounds up like a metaphysical idea or a or a mystical idea even but but it’s not it’s it’s not it’s a really profoundly biological idea the idea is something like well you’re set up so that you’re automatically interested in those things that was fully expand you as a well adapted creature well like there’s nothing radical about that idea how well what else could possibly be the case unless there’s something fundamentally flawed about you that is what the situation would be it’s kind of interesting to think about how that would be manifest moment to moment but the idea is something like well your interest is captured by those things that lead you down the path of development well I better be the case okay so that’s fine and so there’s some utility and pursuing those things that you’re interested in that’s the call to adventure let’s say so and the call to adventure takes you all sorts of places now the problem with the call to adventure is like what the hell do you know you might be interested in things that are kind of warped and bent and often it’s the case that when new parts of people manifest themselves and grip their interest say they do it very badly and shoddily and so you stumble around like an idiot when you try to do something new that’s where the fool is the precursor to the savior from the from the symbolic perspectives because you have to be a fool before you can be a master and if you’re not willing to be a fool then you can’t be a master so so you’re gonna it’s an error error ridden process and that’s also laid out in the Old Testament stories but the first thing that happens to all these patriarchal figures when God kicks them out of their father’s house when they’re like 84 is that they they run into all sorts of trouble and some of its social and some of its natural and some of it’s a consequence of their own moral inadequacy so they’re fools and but but the thing that’s so interesting is that despite the fact that they’re fools they’re still supposed to go on the adventure and that they’re capable of learning enough as a consequence of moving forward on the adventure so that they straighten themselves out across time and so it’s something like this this circumambulation that young talked about was this continual will return to this this continual circling in some sense of who you could be you might notice for example that there are themes in your life you know when you go back across your experiences you see you kind of have your typical experience that sort of repeats itself and there might be variation on it like a musical theme but it’s it’s like you’re circling yourself and getting closer to yourself as you move across time that’s the circumambulation now you remember that for a sec cause we’ll go back to it okay so imagine that something glimmers before you it’s an an interest that’s dawning and you decide well first of all you’re paralyzed do you think well how do I know if I should pursue that it’s probably a stupid idea and the proper response to that is you’re right it probably is a stupid idea because almost all all ideas are stupid and so the probability that as you move forward on your adventure that you’re gonna get it right the first time is zero it’s just not gonna happen and so then you might think well maybe I’ll just wait around until I get the right idea and which people do right so they’re like 40 year old thirteen year olds which is not a good idea so they wait around until it’s waiting for godot until they finally got it right but the problem is you’re too stupid to know when you’ve got it right so waiting around isn’t gonna help because even if it the perfect opportunity manifested itself to you in your incomplete form the probability that you would recognize it as the perfect opportunity is zero you might even think it’s the worst possible idea that you’ve ever heard of anywhere highly likely highly likely so so you have there’s niche Nietzsche called that a will will to stupidity which I really liked so because he thought of stupidity as being it you know it’s it’s you have to take it into account fundamentally and work with it and so and so you can take these tentative steps on your pathway to destiny and you can assume that you’re gonna do it badly and that’s really useful because you don’t have to beat yourself up it’s pretty easy to do it badly but the thing is it’s way better to do it badly than not to do it at all and that’s a continual message that echoes through these historical stories in Genesis it’s like these are flawed people they should have got the hell out of their house way before they did and they go out and they stumble around in tyranny and famine and self betrayal and and violence and but it’s a hell of a lot better than just rotting away at home and that’s the that’s great so that’s good and so why is that well okay so you you start your path and you think that you’re heading you know towards your star and so you go in that direction and then because you’re here the world looks a particular way but then when you move here the world looks different and you’re different as a consequence of having made that voyage and so what that means is that now that thing that glimmers in front of you is going to have shifted its location because you weren’t very good at specifying it to begin with and now that you’re a little sharper and more focused than you were it’s it’s going to reveal itself with more accuracy to you and so then you have to take you know it’s almost like 180 degree reversal but it isn’t because you know you’ve I mean you’ve gone this far and that’s a long ways to get that far but that’s a lot farther than you would be if you just stayed where you were waiting and so it doesn’t matter that you overshoot continually because as you overshoot even if you don’t learn what you should have done you’re going to continually learn what you shouldn’t keep doing and if you learn enough about what you shouldn’t keep do then that’s tantamount at some point to learning at the same time what you should be doing so it’s okay so it’s like this now what’s cool about it though I think is that as you progress the degree of overshooting starts to decline right and that we know that there’s nothing hypothetical about that as you learn a new skill like even to play it play a song on the piano for example you over shoot madly he’s making all sorts of mistakes to begin with and then the mistakes they disappear there’s a great TED talk I think it was about this guy set up a really advanced computational recording system in his home and recorded every single utterance his young child made while learning to speak and then he put together the child’s attempts to say certain phonemes and put them in the list and you can hear the child deviating madly to begin with and then after hundreds and hundreds of repetitions just zeroing right in on the exact phoneme so you know I you might not know this but when kids babble because they start babbling when they’re quite young they babble every human phoneme including all sorts of phonemes that adults can’t say and then they they die into their language so that after they learn say English then there’s all sorts of phonemes they can no longer hear or pronounce but to begin with it’s all there which is really quite interesting but so they see as they learn a particular language they zero in on the proper way to pronounce that and their errors minimize and every time you learn something that’s how it is and that’s really useful to know too because it means that it’s okay to wander around stupidly before you fix your destination now you see that echoed in Exodus right because what happens is that the Egyptians or the Hebrews escaped a tyranny which is kind of whatever you do personally and psychologically when you escape from your previous set of stupidly held and ignorant and stubborn axioms it’s like away from that tyranny it’s like great i freed myself from that well then what well you think well now I’m on the way it’s no you’re not now you’re in the desert where you wander around stupidly you know and worship the wrong things until you finally organize yourself morally again and head in the proper direction so that’s worth knowing too because you think well I got rid of a lot of things baggage excess baggage that I didn’t need in my life and now everything’s okay it’s like no it’s not you’ve got rid of a whole set of scaffolds that were keeping you in place even though they were pathological and now you have nothing and nothing actually turns out to be better than something pathological but you you’re still stuck with the problem of nothing and and that’s well that’s exactly why Exodus is structured the way that it is it’s that you escape from eternity it’s hooray we’re no longer slaves yeah well now you’re nihilistic and lost it’s not necessarily an improvement but it is but it is the pre let’s see it’s also useful to know that because you can also be deluded into the idea that imagine that you’re trying to become enlightened which might mean to turn all those parts of you on that could be turned on you think well that’s just a linear pathway uphill you know it’s just from one success to another it’s no it’s not it’s like here you are and you’re not doing too badly and the first step is a complete bloody catastrophe it’s worse and then maybe you can pull yourself together and you hit a new plateau and then that crumbles and shakes and bang it’s worse again and so because part of the reason that people don’t become enlightened is because it’s punctuated by intermittent deserts essentially by intermittent catastrophes and if you don’t know that well then you’re basically screwed because you go ahead on your movement forward and you collapse and you think well that didn’t work I collapsed it’s like no that’s par for the course it’s not indication that you failed it’s just indication that it’s really hard and that when you learn something you also unlearn something and the thing you unlearned is probably useful and unlearning it actually is painful you know let’s say if you have to get out of a bad relationship it’s like not every not any really there isn’t any relationship that’s a hundred percent bad and so when you jump out of it well maybe you’re in better shape but you’re still lonesome and disoriented you don’t know what your past was and you don’t know what your present is and you don’t know what your future is it’s that’s not that’s why people a with the devil they know instead of you know looking for the devil they don’t know so so anyways the fact that you’re full of faults doesn’t mean you have to stop and thank God for that that’s a really useful thing and the fact that you’re full of faults doesn’t mean that you can’t learn and so you can pause it an ideal and you’re gonna be wrong about it but it doesn’t matter because what you’re right about is positing the ideal moving towards it if the actual ideal isn’t conceptualize perfectly well first surprise surprise cuz like what are you going to do that’s perfect so it doesn’t matter that it’s imperfect imperfect it just matters that you do it and that you move forward so that’s really that’s really positive news as far as I’m concerned because you can actually do that right you can do it badly anyone can do that so that’s that’s useful okay so like if you’re an efficient person you would have just done that but you’re not but who cares you know you still end up in the in the same place and maybe the trip is even more interesting who knows probably – interesting you

97 thoughts on “Jordan Peterson: How To Deal With Depression | Powerful Motivational Speech 2018

  1. After hearing "If you're sick, you have to treat it" I was in tears for the rest of this talk/compilation. This really hit home.

  2. Funny its like ive know most of what hes ever said most of my life without reading about it. Alas without the articulation of his words. Frim observing and interaction within bad environments. This stuff really is mental defence essential in todays world of cults terrosists econmical challanges recessions automation chemical imbalacing environmental poisoning family unit violence political parties group identity climate change nuclear Armageddon miseducation god youtube algorithms trying to manipulate your desires and my bad somethings i may have forgotten. A few lessons really can give you the edge over all that comes your way. He is correct psychoanalysis really are like our best defence againts our own selves. Wish i had the compassion alas all i see are objects for me to use…

  3. Is it better to be an intelligent person and happy or an unintelligent person and happy?
    Is it better to be an intelligent person and sad or an unintelligent person and sad?
    Is it better to be an intelligent person and sad than an unintelligent person and happy?
    Is it better to be an intelligent person and happy than an unintelligent person and sad?

  4. I sometimes wish someone would've told me some of these things when i was younger. I wouldn't have been so confused and depressed.

  5. That second analogy about the open doorway for snakes struck a cord, I've been putting off getting help because I thought it wasn't that bad. last week at work I noticed that my writing has become an illegible mess and it spiraled into thoughts of suicide, if these things strike a cord, SEEK HELP it really does get out of hand before you know it.

  6. Everybody knows How to do right, only the conditions of the serounding sets the boundries.

    We live in a house, if you compair that with life, than you know the bilding Will fall down a few time’s. Because you don’t know How to bild it right the first time even when it is told you How to make it. The foundation Will form in the first 10 years of a childs life. When the person is well taking care of he Will treif. Because when the foundation is weak it Will fall down every time you you build it.

    When a baby is Born the parents is given a White sheet like the one of a painter. The collors and the forms on that sheet is Made bij de parents. If we could manage a general typ of education for the little ones Maby they would See things from a different angle. Because bad dogs Aint Born that way, the are Made bad.

  7. I'm a ex soldier and have seen some of the most horrific things that any human can possibly see. Sometimes I locked myself up in the house for days. Still do it sometimes. So a few years ago my doctor at the time suggested and prescribed antidepressants. I took it for about 5 months. It really pulled me through that rough patch but it wasn't a long term solution. Not for me anyways. Then one day I got lucky. Someone took me to a different doctor was is ex military himself and he understood. Then ingot even more lucky. He referred me to Dani. My psychologist and my absolute saving Angel. She is ex military herself. Now 4 years down the road I still see her. She saved my life and for her I'm eternally thankful to my God!!! I now have a beautiful 14 year old daughter that I raise as a single father and somedays it is still hard but I look towards tomorrow as the sun will shine again.

  8. Came back to this video to say I took Jordan's advice on seeking help and getting onto antidepressants the next day of watching this.

    I had always put it off saying “if you have a splint in your foot, don't take pain killers, remove the splint”… the problem though is the splint was always me and my mental conditions. the pill in the morning has set my emotional oversensitivity to a manageable level. I wish I had started this when I was 18. I have suffered needlessly for years. I can now function, study properly, sleep properly, think clearly. I have euphoria, not because of the drugs effects but because i realise the possibilities I can now achieve despite my irrational fears and unconscious hesitancies.

    thank you Jorden , you have changed my life, but more so the drugs 😙

  9. No job… no friends….no significant other….overeating….cry…. my kids can’t continue to “carry the load”…. spouse died 1.5 years ago…. retired, stay on social media most of day.

  10. In thirty years of teaching he’ll have one person who in thirty years will be someone close to him and he’d be the reason they became who they are. There’s a strange comfort in that.

  11. I wish I had you as a father.

    Or I wish ………this was 1998 when I was a youth on the net….
    Super could have used a MF like this growing up.
    I spent my years in penitentiaries and centers over the pasdt ten years..
    Yo I wish i… I wish I had dudes like him in my life growing up, I put a vast amount of the wrong faith into the wrong people.

  12. THE FIRST port of call with depression is to clean up the diet. It ocured to me some time ago, "When do you see a depressed person with a kick ass diet?"… I changed it up and improved of many years I found so much about "health" food was bullshit. A big one was that I get regular fresh live leafy greens in salad as about half of every meal during every week day, quit drinking during week and the biggest was I found I had I gluten intolerance. Gluten was giving me the feelings of hopelessness and severe anger. This is the indicative of the hard time of the liver. The liver has so much to do with mood. It's was a miracle to now know that these moods aren't "who I am". ALWAYS try Diet try at least 60% Raw vegan. You will be very surprised at the changes in the physical, emotional, metal clarity and energy. Get an Reverse osmosis water filter, take nascent Iodine Vit D3 (with proportional amount of K2), Spirulina for Good Plant based B group vitamins, Methylcabolamin NOT cheap CyanoCabolamin (derived from cyanide). Research bodily pH. Research Research Research. There is ALWAYS A WAY. Check out Dr. Berg, Food matters…. Doing the same thing expecting a different result IS insane. Good luck, love and Nutrition my fellow humanity.

  13. Stop with the 'Like' and "Subscribe" notifications. Peterson in the middle of an important thought and distractions appear onscreen. No need.

  14. "youve always done that sort of thing and you always will" the only answer to that is to hit someone – this had me laughing its so real hahahahaha

  15. I've been in straight commiss ion direct sales most of my life. Our mantra is – when the going gets tough, the go knocking. The thirf best cure for depression is to
    close a sale. The second best cure is getting paid for
    that sale. The best cure for depression is getting referrals from that sale.
    Depression is caused by fear and laziness.
    And I don't have a PhD.

  16. drugs will cause serious damage, don't listen to this guy about pills…….He knows a lot, but not everything…

  17. Truehope, a company in Canada that created a vitamin therapy (Empower Plus) for people with central nervous system disorders including Bipolar, Schizophrenia, Depression among others conditions changed my life. I went from many years on medications and feeling drugged to the point I had no personality or real quality of life to having to take no medications at all and feeling better than before. I've now been on them over 15 years so they don't stop working like meds can..they are getting to the root of the problem instead of masking the root cause. They have a support staff second to non to help people come off their meds and transition to the vitamins. The truth is Truehope and their Empower Plus vitamins saved my life.

  18. I think the problem with the very first few minutes of this is the "you'll know in a month, just stop if it doesn't work!" line of reasoning. Not everyone has disposable income to play musical chairs with psychs who want to shove pills down your throat before properly diagnosing you. Not everyone has the time to deal with a month of possibly extremely detrimental side effects that worsen your depression, remove all motivations, make you apathetic towards anything and everything, etc. And then what? You try more antidepressants, since there's a large list of them, and keep up the same old song and dance while trying to maintain hope? When you're depressed, every single failure hits harder. If you try several of them in a row, it's no longer "just wait a month" it becomes "I've been trying meds for months now, some of them make me want to kill myself more, one of them made me lose my job when it made me irritable and violently outburst at work, some of them have no notable effect whatsoever aside from lowered libido and appetite" etc. With each failure, they lose more and more hope and their depression and cynicism gets darker and darker. You don't have the risk of insulin making your diabetes worse, or having to deal with telling your employer you have to go out for diabetes treatment. Tell them you're taking off work for depression treatment and watch your position listed on Indeed.com within a week. We don't think of mental illness as real illness in society, so we until then we can't properly accommodate it with treatment options available. Because guess what? If you have diabetes, your insurance will cover you and people will be more compassionate towards your plights as it has physical effects on your health. Because depression exists in the mind, nobody cares and will just assume the average depressed person is just lazy and not in need of medical help, just need to "toughen up."

    Before we rush people to shove pills down their throat, we need a complete overall of the mental health system. When we stop treating mental health as a luxury that doesn't need immediate care, as if it was just crooked teeth that could be resolved with braces at any time. When more care is taken to the severity of mental illness, this is an appropriate suggestion. Until then, I've seen too many people die on antidepressants than live through it for me to consider it useful. Statistically, more and more people are becoming people and seeking help. You'd expect that with more people seeking help, we'd see a decrease in suicide rates, but we instead see the opposite. So clearly it isn't working and will continue to fail until we actually take a look at why all these people seeking help end up leaving in a casket. Antidepressants work for some, but looking at the data empirically it seems like most studies completely commit "severe" depression since those numbers skew the success rates of treatments. So many studies will cite "Light to moderate" depression since those aren't treatment resistant and probably aren't as deeply ingrained into someone's psyche. Once you get to severe depression, or "treatment resistant depression," you see that these treatments simply don't work and we need others. He addresses this by mentioning depression coming from a terrible life needed more attention but I don't particularly think that's correct. Anecdotally everyone I've met with depression and their "life together" has had little response (or negative, one killed herself) response to antidepressants.

  19. i've just realised i have a horrible horrible life and i'm not depressed at all
    im totally adjusted to horrible
    THAT CANT BE GOOD
    IS THERE A NAME FOR THAT?

  20. My friends and family see me as mentally strong but I just cry in the dark, it makes me feel alone and I don’t want to tell people cause they will treat me differently and I constantly lie to myself telling me that I am fine and hearing Jordan Peterson talking makes me realise that the best medicine is being logical and radical

  21. My friends and family see me as mentally strong but I just cry in the dark, it makes me feel alone and I don’t want to tell people cause they will treat me differently and I constantly lie to myself telling me that I am fine and hearing Jordan Peterson talking makes me realise that the best medicine is being logical and radical

  22. My friends and family see me as mentally strong but I just cry in the dark, it makes me feel alone and I don’t want to tell people cause they will treat me differently and I constantly lie to myself telling me that I am fine and hearing Jordan Peterson talking makes me realise that the best medicine is being logical and radical

  23. what terrible advice – an antidepressant does not exist it is mere advertising they are drugs and have drug effects and are different for everyone for some they are crushing to sex life, can uttery numb you out of your emotional life, you might kill yourself if you are using them, they might cause mania, or change how it feels to be you – not to mention the massive corruption in the clinical trials and regulator capture at least in the UK

  24. I am 60, have been very left wing (anarchist type) but this guy makes a lot of sense. The selfish part of me wishes he were my own, very personal advisor, instead of being the the whole world's. I am glad he has an audience of predominantly young people; I think he can add a lot to their lives.

  25. Something needs to be made very clear here. No coaching lecture is going to cause a severely, clinically, biologically depressed person to be happy or even serene (which is really what we should be striving for). It takes a combination of medication, counseling and maybe some inspiring talks, along with help from friends and family (if they exist) for such a person to lead a better quality of life. A well balanced approach. I'm sorry, but I live in a family with people who have been institutionalized due to mental illnesses of various kinds. People who were serene, competent and capable for 33 years and then one day woke up and couldn't get out of bed or shower for weeks at a time in an instant. They didn't eat, cried all day and took no pleasure from things that used to give them pleasure. No triggers or bad experiences that set it off. Just an overnight change. It's as biological as getting cancer. There are depressed people who feel their mental illness in a way that a paranoid schizophrenic does or a bi polar person does. It is extremely important to distinguish between regular depression and clinical depression. I do believe that some doctors and psychiatrists (it tends to be the doctors, they know less about mental illness than a psychiatrist) hand out antidepressant meds WAY TOO MUCH. For instance, just because you are sad and feel grief because your dad died is not a reason to get antidepressant meds. What it means is that you are experiencing emotions and feelings that everyone does when a loved one dies. It's healthy to experience those feelings and emotions. But people who think that a clinical case can just snap out of it has not been exposed enough to people who have REAL mental illness or who have seen people change totally overnight. Either that or they have an ax to grind (I hate BIg Pharma, etc.) and ulterior motives.

  26. I just get so tired of not getting better.Nobody like him we come and help me,ill just become another shooter.

  27. People only get depressed because money rules them,give them a million quid and watch them smile all of a sudden.

  28. It's really interesting, though it's difficult to watch the video with this musique which really makes the listening difficult. Is it possible to remove it?

  29. All therapies to treat the symptoms/side effects, what I want to know is exactly why my brains chemical production doesn't work properly and how to fix the cause

  30. I'm in tears 😭
    31 years I've been alive
    About 20 years I've had depression.
    Only now have I come across such a clear enunciation of how I feel and what thinking ensues during a depressive episode.
    😭

  31. I can't disagree with him but be extremely careful with anti-depressants. I had a horrible time with them, tried several before finding one that didn't make me even more depressed but I gained an enormous amount of weight (which made me feel even worse) and I felt NOTHING, didn't care about anything and the world could have ended and I wouldn't have noticed. I was lost in myself, isolated from everyone and just went through the motions – I was on auto pilot at work. Getting off of them took months because you have to be stepped down or you'll have the pleasure of brainstorms. You just think you have problems until you have brainstorms – you'll think you're losing your mind when these happen and had I not been warned, I don't know what I would have done or how I'd reacted! The upside, once I was off of it the weight literally fell off as quickly as I'd gained it. What I found ….. you have to want to get better, accept things and move on because the past CAN NOT be changed – only how you deal with it. In the words of Red from Shaw Shank, "Get busy living or get busy dying".

  32. I really want to hear what Dr Peterson has to say but the errie organ music is too distracting please turn it off!

  33. Wow, Famous celeb JP today and Teacher JP back in lecture are two different person, JP YOU TRAITOR!!!

  34. Everyone suffers from depression sometime in ones life.and we-reflect on not so nice experiences of the past.
    Just remember to morrow is another day , and can bring a entirely different picture to the one in mind of yesterday
    It surely is not a right thing to do to bring your actions of this awful responsibility on your family or on anyone.else.Takes time for depression to lift, but it will go .and you get out of this dark hole
    .

    out of this dark hole and will stand up tall and see life is beautiful again I have been there took seven years struggle while I had four young children , husband with no empathy ,a job, and not enough money to feed and keep us, but I came through and am all that stronger for it. Hang on to life,we only have one.see the sunsets, flowers and look for the beautiful things on this wonderful earth ,and live life to the full. EF

  35. When ever I listen to JBP, I feel like I can go back and finish my engineering degree. I felt I was a failure and dropped out because I had a 3.2 gpa…

  36. Depression is just so unpredictable and can just come out of nowhere. I have always had spells since a teen, back then it was bullying. Growing up I lost friends and family to suicide and drug abuse, my natural response was to just drink myself into oblivion and convince myself that I was coping, but that whole time I had no idea I was heavily depressed. As an adult, I realized that all I was doing was working and then living for the weekend, which once again just felt like spending my week behind a desk only to get drunk on weekends, eventually it got to the point where I felt empty, I wasn't having any sort of meaningful relationships with anyone, I felt like nobody really cared for me. And at that point depression is at it's very worst, you fail to see point or purpose in anything and it's such a hard thing to get out of. It's a truly terrifying experience, but it gives me peace of mind that I'm not the only one, and Jordan Peterson has definitely put things into perspective for me.

  37. To explain the pills part for everyone.. he’s saying try to fix the things in your life that are making you depressed before you start to take pills.

  38. Why is everyones life a tragedy. I follow and agree with you alot but dont understand your viewpoint??? Please explain???

  39. "You'll just stop if it doesn't work" LMFAO Yea, no life-long brain zaps, disassociation, the suicidal thoughts that INCREASE with the brain zaps, that sickening anxiety that makes you want to physically rip your heart from your chest to make it stop, and on and on. All that and all of your pills still haven't worked; in fact, things are so much worse now. So much worse. Doctors and these pills out just like they did with the pain pills. And nobody really cares about the person suffering.

  40. I love this man. The truth hurts. He is so able to speak the truth. You have to listen to this man he is a genius and he is not afraid to tell it how it is. It takes years some decades to figure this out. Praise the lord

  41. cant even watch this with that bullshit track behind it. Wanted to uses your video for an out patient treatment center, but you had to put a bullshit track behind this video for what reason?? curious? for you? to add to the video? (if thats it, then ur an asshat) for what reason? you fuckin numb ass tool..

  42. The way I set things up for my life is this. I set my expectations really low so my mediocre results still make me an overachiever. I have met some of my expectations and past some of my expectations therefore I am quite successful.

  43. This didn't help me at all, I feel depressed for a lot of things, but many of those things I have literally no control over, so, it's helpless just to "stay cool" "think positive" or find will to do anything related to his advice…

  44. I don't like the music in the background:
    It makes him to seem to be a priest, and what he says seem to be a flat hollywood thing.
    Also it romanticises depression

  45. From a standpoint of having first and second hand experience with antidepressants and reading many of the studies and medical literature about them i would never reccomend anyone ever take these meds it will only make things worse. Dont take my word for it lookup "breaking placebo and ssri study shortcomings" you will be mind blown. Pharma companies are not interested in your wellbieng they are only interested in profit. Not all drugs are bad but most ssri's and antypschycotic drugs are not well studied and have been rushed through clinical trials.

  46. From 46:05 on:

    Being "nothing is better than something pathological, but you're still stuck with the problem of being nothing."

    I used to explain this idea to friends of mine using mathematical terms.
    Imagine at one point in time, you're -100. Being a magnitude of ten is a great thing, as compared to being, say, a negative 2 or 5 or 33. But when you remove those "pathological scaffolds," as Peterson calls them, you move closer to zero. As you undo the "baggage," you technically ascend in value as a person, but you will see yourself unraveling from the perspective of what you thought previously empowered you. One hundred looks like 100, whether that's a positive or a negative, and not many will be willing to give that up, even if they're at the top of a criminal dominance hierarchy (just an example.)

    Making your way to being nothing after being so negative for so long is, in fact, a good thing, because you find yourself at the position to begin building real value of character. However, staying a zero, staying out of the game, and not improving, now this is indeed an issue, and is not preferable to being where you began, as zero will always be zero.

    As Peterson states, as you move forward, you have momentary collapses and have "unlearning" take place. When you first step away from negative 100, you will feel that your decisions are not in alignment with actual growth, but that "doesn't mean you have to stop."

    It's a long road ahead, but you'll be grateful you made the decision when you did.

  47. I so love this man. So brilliant and so passionate. I have been watching all his videos and feel again like I am a student of life. As students we are so lucky to have a teacher like this who is accessible via the net.

  48. There is always more ways to skin a cat! When hitting setbacks get creative! Talk it out with someone HEALTHY TO GAIN PERSPECTIVE! Take it one day a time. I call the opposite CATASTROPHIZING! Fatallizing! See if the values line up with your goals. Be humble! Be patient and kind to yourself. Find a SPIRITUAL ANCHOR

  49. The music, whining along, sentimentally in background contaminates the feelings and thoughts I'm trying to examine as I listen. Counterproductive. Get rid of it.

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